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Reddit's proposed API changes and the continued existence of RedReader

125 点作者 gibspaulding大约 2 年前

32 条评论

jjulius大约 2 年前
&gt;[Reddit says] that usage of third party apps is increasing over time, and this is a threat to them. [Reddit] raised the question of what would happen if such apps became the majority, in which case it would be unreasonable to expect the minority of official app users to bear the costs for everyone else.<p>I mean, let&#x27;s not look internally and figure out what we (read: Reddit) could do to improve our app. Let&#x27;s just continue to ignore the negative feedback we&#x27;ve been getting regarding the changes we&#x27;ve made for the last few years, and the fact that people use third-party apps because what we provide is garbage. There&#x27;s nothing <i>we</i> need to fix, it&#x27;s the users who need to get used to it.<p>Reddit&#x27;s attitude towards users can essentially be summed up as, &quot;The beatings will continue until morale improves&quot;.
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icehawk大约 2 年前
&gt; During the call they said that third party apps like RedReader represent something like an &quot;opportunity cost&quot; for them, as they are unable to gather revenue directly from these users. They say that usage of third party apps is increasing over time, and this is a threat to them. They raised the question of what would happen if such apps became the majority<p>Wow, an amazing example of &quot;missing the point.&quot; If the use of 3rd party apps is increasing over time versus the official app, <i>there is something wrong with the official app</i> and the proper thing to do is fix that.<p>Restricting 3rd party access is just delaying the inevitable.
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koolba大约 2 年前
&gt; During the call they said that third party apps like RedReader represent something like an &quot;opportunity cost&quot; for them, as they are unable to gather revenue directly from these users. They say that usage of third party apps is increasing over time, and this is a threat to them. They raised the question of what would happen if such apps became the majority, in which case it would be unreasonable to expect the minority of official app users to bear the costs for everyone else.<p>Can you imagine the horror if users were allowed to control what and how a website displays on their own device?!<p>I’m curious the ratio of ad-block users. It’s got to be higher than the average internet user. Probably even more so for the ones that are logged in.<p>&gt; Because of this, it&#x27;s best to think of RedReader a bit like a web browser -- even though usage from RedReader as a community is high, it&#x27;s really just a bunch of individual users accessing Reddit directly as if through a browser. There&#x27;s no central organization or service responsible for all the usage.<p>The word is “user agent”. A web browser is just one such program. You can even name it whatever you want because like all web standards from that era, it’s just a line of text with implicit trust of the sender.
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lethologica大约 2 年前
In a way I’m thankful that Reddit has made using their site so inhospitable to mobile browsers. I’ve simply stopped using it. Though it seems they’ve at least brought back old.reddit.com but i.reddit.com still seems to redirect to the incredibly unusable www.reddit.com on mobile.<p>Now, in its place, I load up a .epub book in the iOS Books app and set it to continuous scroll mode. This way I’m getting the dopamine hit from the continuous scrolling AND I’m actually reading something worth my time, energy, and effort rather than outrage bait, astroturfing posts, or karma farm threads.
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larrymyers大约 2 年前
It looks like Apollo is going to have to go paid only as well:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;apolloapp&#x2F;comments&#x2F;12ram0f&#x2F;had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;apolloapp&#x2F;comments&#x2F;12ram0f&#x2F;had_a_fe...</a><p>I think the post about RedReader brings up the critical point: Reddit is dependent on its users to create and moderate content for every subreddit.<p>It would not surprise me moving to only paid access to the API starts a real declining spiral for Reddit. To me this is an implicit admission from the Reddit team that they are incapable of providing a better first party experience than third party clients.
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sorenjan大约 2 年前
&gt; While third party app users don&#x27;t directly contribute to revenue, Reddit is highly reliant on its community to produce and moderate content for free.<p>This is an important point. Reddit gets its content and moderation for free by their users (who often steals that content from elsewhere...), yet they consider them to cost them money?<p>There&#x27;s another thing I haven&#x27;t seen many people bring up. Like a lot of Reddit users with an older account, I use old.reddit.com together with RES. RES uses the .json endpoints for a lot of functionality, and those are considered part of Reddit&#x27;s API according to them. So this is not just about third party mobile apps, the desktop experience might get seriously degraded as well. I hope it does, because the worse it gets the easier it is to quit.
pierat大约 2 年前
This looks like time to bring back the original reddit: Usenet.<p>The people make content.<p>The people post content to groups they&#x27;re on.<p>The people are the moderators of those groups.<p>But reddit profits.<p>Seems like the old federated solution is better. Capitalizing on people socializing and doing stuff just seems wrong, and I&#x27;d say IS wrong.<p>I wonder what it&#x27;d take to rebuild Usenet and get easy access for the masses, like Mastodon has done?
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AlexandrB大约 2 年前
Reddit is fairly unique among large internet properties in that even as their &quot;default&quot; design has gotten shittier and shittier (in my opinion), it was possible to go back to older iterations via old.reddit.com or i.reddit.com. I wonder how much of a release valve for dissatisfaction these alternate UIs and third party apps represent. With 3rd party apps possibly going away now and i.reddit.com apparently dead (is old.reddit.com next?), I wonder how many angry redditors will come out of the woodwork.<p>Then again, I&#x27;m sure reddit has analytics on this and has decided it&#x27;s worth the backlash.
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deminature大约 2 年前
The answer here is for reddit to make an actually good app and win the market back by simply being the better alternative. The fact that they&#x27;ve decided they can&#x27;t compete with apps written by individual developers and need to resort to crushing them by fiat is sad and ridiculous, especially for those individual developers who have painstakingly carved out their niche over years.<p>Presuming they cannot make better software, surely the answer is inserting ads in the API feeds instead of destroying the 3rd party ecosystem entirely (and potentially losing thousands-millions of users)?
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corobo大约 2 年前
I realise nothing has changed yet but with the news of this a couple weeks ago I deleted the Apollo app. Nothing against it, great app, I just wanted to wean myself off Reddit ahead of the big switch off.<p>I&#x27;ve actually found my mood to be much happier in general. I&#x27;m not saying Reddit is entirely a horrible place full of grouchy people but there is a lot of it. Maybe it&#x27;s that, maybe it&#x27;s getting rid of the doomscroll dopamine overload. Whatever it is, it&#x27;s good times.<p>I have no intention of replacing the Reddit in my life. Continuing to use &quot;site:reddit.com&quot; in some searches but I reckon I&#x27;m done with general use forums for the foreseeable.<p>Thank you for doing a digg, Reddit! I might not have realised I don&#x27;t need you without this :D
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Reptur大约 2 年前
&gt; Reddit will limit access to mature content via our Data API as part of an ongoing effort to provide guardrails to how sexually explicit content and communities on Reddit are discovered and viewed. (Note: This change should not impact any current moderator bots or extensions.)<p>This seems to be a common theme. Tumblr, Imgur, Onlyfans (tried and walked it back). I am betting this has to do with their credit card processors. They tend to enforce their values&#x2F;morals on others. It is unfortunate sites just immediately obey and do not fight it.
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politelemon大约 2 年前
It is an interesting time in internet history that we&#x27;ll be looking back on. Twitter is eroding itself. Reddit closes itself off. Fb lost focus.<p>It&#x27;s a ripe time for something new, or somethings new, to emerge, where people can go to discuss &#x27;things&#x27;. But I&#x27;m not sure if it&#x27;s going to take the forum like form we&#x27;re expecting.
easton大约 2 年前
Why doesn’t Reddit allow users of the API to log in via OAuth and then pay for Reddit gold to get access? Then the apps can keep letting users call the API directly without a proxy server, and they still get paid.<p>(Yes, I’d like the API to remain free. But if it doesn’t that seems like the next best option rather than losing any and all open source clients.)
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BeefySwain大约 2 年前
&gt; ...it&#x27;s best to think of RedReader a bit like a web browser -- even though usage from RedReader as a community is high, it&#x27;s really just a bunch of individual users accessing Reddit directly as if through a browser.<p>I find this to be a particularly cogent point. What is stopping someone from making an app that just displaying the normal site, ad free with extensions such as RES?
skeoh大约 2 年前
Without RedReader I would not use Reddit. It&#x27;s understandable that they would want to capitalize off third-party app users -- this approach is pretty disappointing though. Been on the site over 15 years but looks like things are coming to an end.
zb1plus大约 2 年前
Given how simple Reddit&#x27;s API is to replicate, I&#x27;d love to see somebody build their own federated version of Reddit that the reader apps could consume alongside or in lieu of the main API.
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brokenmachine大约 2 年前
If I can&#x27;t use a good app (Relay for Reddit), and&#x2F;or old.reddit.com, I&#x27;m done with Reddit.
monksy大约 2 年前
Honestly, this is a great call for setting up Lemmy and getting the environment sutable for people to move off of reddit.<p>It looks like this is going to kill RedditSync.
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ehPReth大约 2 年前
The &quot;no NSFW content over the API no matter what&quot; thing is pretty fucking bullshit.
add-sub-mul-div大约 2 年前
Reddit is a cesspool I find hard to avoid due to its position, but that was my same take on Twitter and losing my client was the thing that got me to break that habit. I&#x27;d welcome it for Reddit to do the same and then I&#x27;d be free of both.
devinprater大约 2 年前
RedReader is one of the most accessible apps for blind people on any platform. If that breaks, and all the other apps with it, I&#x27;m done using Reddit.
Euphorbium大约 2 年前
I am happy about the reddits suicide, it is long overdue for us to move to something new.
rektide大约 2 年前
We are definitely entering a bold new shitty age where each user will start to have to register &amp; upload their API key to their various apps.<p>Pax Intertwingularity was great &amp; good, but everyone is shutting down, closing shop, removing access. The great disconnecting is upon us. No more internetworking, it&#x27;s just endless silos &amp; walled gardens forever in Internet 4.0.
snwfog大约 2 年前
For those looking for alternative, try <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rdddeck.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rdddeck.com</a> - works well on mobile and desktop.
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SeanAnderson大约 2 年前
These changes seem to be in preparation for Reddit going public later this year, right? They&#x27;re trying to make their financials look as strong as possible in the short-term even if long-term it fatally injures the website.<p>It will be interesting to watch! I see a lot of people saying they&#x27;ll go to alternatives, but what alternatives are there to Reddit? Back to Digg? Voat? Here? I&#x27;m not aware of a good replacement.
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lumb63大约 2 年前
Reddit can’t possibly have much time left. Talk about a space ripe for the taking - Reddit seems hellbent on driving away as many users as possible.
ggm大约 2 年前
Yet to see a definitive statement for my choice of reddit browser, &quot;joey for reddit&quot;<p>It has a &quot;hold for popover&quot; feature which makes skim reading and image preview much easier. I find myself doing it in browsers, wishing they did the same thing: thumbnail of an image? Just hold to see full size. It&#x27;s a remarkably useful gui shortcut.
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sebazzz大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve never developed a mobile app that talks to an API. How do you even store API keys, open source or not? On a jailbreaked iPhone someone could just extract the IPA file and then decompile the API key. If you proxy through your own server, then you replace the problem with that anyone can try to talk to your own server.
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stiltzkin大约 2 年前
I seriously believe their censoring and bad mods is going to make the decline faster, just try to comment on subs as wallstreetsilver and you can get autobanned of some subs as justiceserved.
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villgax大约 2 年前
Tomorrow Reddit will release a browser for the web users &amp; then we&#x27;ll do nothing about it. Instagram will follow as well.
3000大约 2 年前
I don&#x27;t think this is the product Aaron envisioned.
brokenmachine大约 2 年前
And so the enshittification begins...