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Adult-use cannabis delivers $15B in tax revenues

190 点作者 DocFeind大约 2 年前

27 条评论

ryanianian大约 2 年前
Hugged to death: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20230502143621&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.greenmarketreport.com&#x2F;adult-use-cannabis-has-delivered-15-billion-in-tax-revenues&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20230502143621&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.green...</a><p>Better takeaway is actually:<p>&gt; For the first time in the U.S., adult-use cannabis tax revenue declined across legal states in 2022.
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simonswords82大约 2 年前
Meanwhile the UK has got it&#x27;s thumb up its ass and is happily maintaining a status quo of the worst of all worlds<p>1) The police are still supposed to arrest people who are caught with cannabis (It&#x27;s a class B drug - in the same group as codeine, ketamine, and ‘spice’ - whatever the hell that is).<p>In reality they typically let people off with a warning but it&#x27;s still a drain on our already hamstrung police force<p>2) Drug dealers who sell weed tend not to declare and pay tax on their earnings. Depriving UK Gov of some seriously needed income per this article&#x27;s headline.<p>3) Drug dealers tend to sell other drugs, usually harder drugs. Thus exposing people who want to get stoned to a plethora of other drugs that they might otherwise not have come in to contact with.<p>4) Those people who are hooked on weed (or any other non-prescribed drug) are criminals...and cannot seek help from anybody including their doctor. This keeps them trapped, and over a long enough period of time will do mental and potentially physical damage to them that our NHS will incur costs to fix. And when I say NHS, I mean the tax payers, and when I say tax payers - I mean me.<p>All of that is to say - fuck UK drug policy. I remain hopeful that it will change though...
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nimbius大约 2 年前
I always had high hopes (pardon the pun) that cannabis decriminalization would look similar to homebrew beer culture and we might see a horticulture boom. Many states sadly only took steps to create a states monopoly on the distribution of this narcotic with no real reforms to criminalization of cultivation.<p>Californias experiment with decriminalization was after five years revealed for its true intent: unchecked greed at the hand of a 70% tax rate.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2021&#x2F;11&#x2F;07&#x2F;1053387426&#x2F;5-years-after-california-legalized-weed-the-illicit-market-dominates" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2021&#x2F;11&#x2F;07&#x2F;1053387426&#x2F;5-years-after-cali...</a>
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IMTDb大约 2 年前
$15B combined since legalisation started; and revenues are dipping.<p>For reference; Alcohol generates roughly $10B per year (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;248952&#x2F;revenues-from-alcohol-tax-and-forecast-in-the-us&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;248952&#x2F;revenues-from-alc...</a>). Tobacco as well (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;248964&#x2F;revenues-from-tobacco-tax-and-forecast-in-the-us&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;248964&#x2F;revenues-from-tob...</a>)<p>I was not able to find reputable sources for Cannabis; the numbers in the article are coming from &quot;Marijuana Policy Project&quot;, which makes them highly suspicious since the stated goal of the organisation is: (form their own website): &quot;The Marijuana Policy Project (MPP) is the number one organization in the U.S. dedicated to legalizing cannabis&quot;. So they would likely use any calculations methods that would paint cannabis in a good way.
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mfrisbie大约 2 年前
I was on Cannabis Talk 101 recently to talk about this issue specifically: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FwOmtBo8sBU">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FwOmtBo8sBU</a><p>It is not hyperbolic to say that in many states, the cannabis industry is drowning. Far too much regulation, far too many taxes, and no access to capital yields an environment for cannabis SMBs that is effectively impossible to thrive in. The largest multi-state operators are the only businesses that are positioned to survive this downturn.<p>Contrast this with federal agricultural policy for the past 100 years, in which entire agencies are dedicated to ensuring the health of American agriculture through loans, subsidies, and economic policy. Even though cannabis is the 6th largest cash crop in the US - roughly the same size as cotton, and larger than rice or potatoes, it is being actively crushed underfoot.<p>Federal legalization is not close, and SAFE banking is not close. The industry as a whole is sliding into an enduring period of stagnation, and legislators are far too slow to act. For people who have been closely following the industry, all of this is completely unsurprising.
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maerF0x0大约 2 年前
I had an debate with a friend&#x27;s wife a while back (these always go over so well). That there&#x27;s a bothersome logical inconsistency of having Alcohol XOR THC products (of many kinds). ie Either both should be legal, or neither.<p>As far as I can tell keeping alcohol legalized is simply having the moderate 59%[1] of drinkers use tyranny of the majority to enforce their freedom at deep detriment to both the hazardous&#x2F;heavy drinkers (but also to everyone because the negative effects of drinking distribute to moderate&#x2F;non-drinkers. I presume that this is also heavily lobbied by Alcohol industry in the US because more than 2&#x2F;3rds of revenue come from heavy drinkers. And grabbing the first headline that matches my theory it seems like tax revenue doesnt cover the societal costs [2]<p>Related to the topic at hand it seems the societal costs of alcohol abuse is greater than drug use[3] (all drugs combine). So again, if Alcohol is Legal, then THC should be too, though I maintain it&#x27;d be even more societally beneficial to prohibit both.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.recoveryanswers.org&#x2F;research-post&#x2F;alcohol-sales-excessive-drinking&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.recoveryanswers.org&#x2F;research-post&#x2F;alcohol-sales-...</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bu.edu&#x2F;sph&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019&#x2F;alcohol-taxes-only-cover-fraction-of-costs-of-excessive-drinking&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bu.edu&#x2F;sph&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019&#x2F;alcohol-taxes-only...</a><p>[3]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;landmarkrecovery.com&#x2F;the-cost-of-alcohol-use-disorder&#x2F;#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Surgeon%20General%20reported,about%20%24807%20per%20person%20annually" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;landmarkrecovery.com&#x2F;the-cost-of-alcohol-use-disorde...</a>.
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eugenekolo大约 2 年前
*Has delivered. This is since 2014.<p>What a strange title to mask the actual first line: &quot; 2022 tax collection dipped from 2021.&quot;
thrwawayzsd大约 2 年前
I wonder how much revenue is displaced. This isn&#x27;t necessarily an increase in tax revenue.<p>My personal anecdote is I&#x27;ve replaced social drinking with social cannabis use now that it&#x27;s legal. It feels good and I don&#x27;t have to worry about the hang over. The cost is fairly similar for a night of drinking or a few joints.
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nosmokewhereiam大约 2 年前
Any solutions for organic KNF &#x2F; JADAM hybrid growers to pass the new microbial &#x2F; mold &#x2F; mildew &#x2F; fungal testing requirements that just tightened?<p>In OR, the rules went from &quot;who can produce the cheapest?&quot; (Regenerative soil.) to &quot;who can do clean room hydroponics with money gained from operating dispensaries&quot; overnight.<p>The entire organic movement is struggling to find a solution since our entire premise is to cultivate good &quot;fauna&quot; and not allow the bad stuff to gain large colony size. We cull weak plants, introduce predatory insects, utilize myco to innoculate soil and overall avoid the headaches general to monocropping.<p>These are Arxiv-reading plant hackers, struggling with a sudden change, and it&#x27;s chemicals all the way down...<p>I&#x27;ve worked throughout the industry since legal, retail, production, field sampling &#x2F; analytical lab tech, etoh extraction, and gMP manuf. &#x2F; distro. I&#x27;ve seen a lot of solutions, and the industry has overcome a lot on the legal side.<p>But I&#x27;d like to speak for all Oregonians in stating that if we don&#x27;t have safety testing that matches what&#x27;s really possible, producers will route around the problem by shopping labs for those who will assure greater possibility of passing these now much more strict myco&#x2F;microbial testing.<p>They did it with potency...<p>Any thoughts for solutions that are more immediate and actionable, like how we can organically pass testing than gaming the test itself?<p>I&#x27;ve watched it personally affect solid facilities and programs, tens of millions in losses during a razor thin market. People get desperate and do weird unsafe things to product, like spray vinegar, peroxide, physan, late-flower synth treatments, antifungals for ornamentals (think pgrs are bad?), and I&#x27;m sure worse.<p>Any simple treatments techniques or procedure advice is very humbly appreciated. I&#x27;ll pass it on to the communities it affects.
eppp大约 2 年前
What category did the $15B get reallocated from though? Was it a net positive or negative change?
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itomato大约 2 年前
I will never drink alcohol again.<p>I don’t need to or want to.<p>That has to scare somebody.
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cronix大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s been legal recreationally in Oregon for a number of years now, and medically legal for 10 or so years before that. Basically the same story...record tax receipts at first, but slipping the last few years[1].<p>There have also been a lot of stories in the couple of years or so regarding massive cartel growing operations[1] blending in with the legal grows, flooding the market with cheaper cannabis. These are usually staffed by people who are the victims of human trafficking[2] working off their &quot;debt.&quot; A lot of people are going back to black market cannabis because there are no taxes, so it&#x27;s about 20% cheaper right off the top.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bizjournals.com&#x2F;portland&#x2F;news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;09&#x2F;06&#x2F;oregon-cannabis-tax-revenue-falls.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bizjournals.com&#x2F;portland&#x2F;news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;09&#x2F;06&#x2F;oregon-...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;jan&#x2F;12&#x2F;oregon-marijuana-illegal-farms-environment" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;jan&#x2F;12&#x2F;oregon-marij...</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;abcnews.go.com&#x2F;US&#x2F;narco-slaves-migrant-workers-face-abuse-oregons-cartel&#x2F;story?id=95069523" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;abcnews.go.com&#x2F;US&#x2F;narco-slaves-migrant-workers-face-...</a>
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intrasight大约 2 年前
Anyone else find the the whole topic as presented by the likes of greenmarketreport.com just disheartening? I partake infrequently - like twice a year. It&#x27;s a special, spiritual thing for me. Imagine if a for-profit company could tell you when you could go to church and how much it would cost? This is what&#x27;s happened with business interest controlling the regulatory environment.<p>Imagine if parsley, basil, and thyme were controlled by commercial interests and regulator regimes.
rr808大约 2 年前
For 2022 it was $3.8 Billion or $11 per person, which is a lot higher than I expected.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mpp.org&#x2F;issues&#x2F;legalization&#x2F;cannabis-tax-revenue-states-regulate-cannabis-adult-use&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mpp.org&#x2F;issues&#x2F;legalization&#x2F;cannabis-tax-revenue...</a>
samstave大约 2 年前
I helped build out, then worked at a cannabis extraction facility...<p>I worked with MANY growers from mendo, and had to work out the tax implications from plant to extraction - which gets really weird when a Co-OP of growers each brought in their harvest, to combine together so they could exrtract from their total combined batch - but each grower needed to know what their tax burdon was on the final product.<p>That was a nightmare to figure out (at the time, we basically came out with ~$1.75 in taxes per gram of 99% pure oil)<p>My friend, and immediate next door neighbor is the District Attorney (DA) to the DCC (department of cannibis control) we have talked about this a lot - and he knows what a shit-show the california tax code is on weed...<p>So much so that many small growers had to sell, and some larger growers&#x2F;extractors are also selling because they lost all margins.<p>Dont even get me started on METRC<p>but at the end of the day - this all boils down to big agra and big capital squeezing out all the small players through political lobbying and corrupt politicians, and large industry such as Constellation Brands (alcohol) making huge strides into the cannabis market.<p>Constellation was coming in and trying to low ball small ops to sell their ops and licenses, and then paying off&#x2F;lobbying politicians to make the process of getting your cultivation, distribution, etc licenses extremely hard for a typicla tradition weed farmer who has been growing for decades but now he has to follow big agra style red-tape he is not used to.<p>Then, on top of that - when co-op growers would combine material for extraction, or pre-rolls - they still had to be tested AFTER the extraction and if the oil came back &#x27;dirty&#x27; (had pesticides in it) the batch was useless and had to be sold on the BM (black market) at a much reduced price and these guys would lose all of their annual revenue in that one extraction -- I saw a guy get so infuriated, I wouldnt be surprised if he killed himself when he got home.<p>It was a wild ride.
theK大约 2 年前
Awesome news!<p>But I think reports that only focus on tax income are underselling the results of cannabis legalization policy slightly.<p>What I would be much more interested in would be the whole picture, ie. added to the tax income we should also be able to see the taxpayer money saved by relieving the police, corrective and judicial systems of cannabis related processes.
mensetmanusman大约 2 年前
For reference it is about $20B for cigarettes.<p>The more smoking, the more healthcare costs related to lungs etc. so it is good to have tax revenue to support the societal impact.<p>People will disagree with how much people should be allowed to harm themselves when society picks up the mess. Our compromise is taxes :)
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sam_goody大约 2 年前
What is the scope of Cannabis related costs (such as gov covered rehab, disability from those that did dangerous stuff on drugs, O.D.&#x27;s or took something contaminated, non employment from those that cannot hold a job, what amount of social cannabis is a gateway to heavier stuff, etc.)<p>I know that there are many factors here - legal vs illegal (where any tax is better than no tax) clean vs dirty (where I presume the higher the legality the more likely it is safe), the social advantages and alternatives (where people who have an active social life are more productive), etc.
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nashashmi大约 2 年前
Getting money from drugs is still getting money from drugs. We also get money from casinos. No good things come from this.<p>And for those who believe that a annual decline in drug sales supports the idea of legalizing it, don&#x27;t you think these companies will act with the most sinister of intentions like so many before them have acted? Like Juul, big tobacco, beer, fentanyl, and casinos?<p>The profit is great. The evil is greater. (Quran 2:19)
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emrah大约 2 年前
I don&#x27;t know what kind of net positive legalizing this shit provides to society but the fact that I have to smell it everywhere I go is a net negative for me. Can&#x27;t they make a better smelling or no-smell option? I hear the stink is due to the low quality ingredients
Lolaccount大约 2 年前
In other news, first time farming across the USA has exploded ...
easytiger大约 2 年前
That would tobacco&#x27;s tax revenues a positive thing too.
roschdal大约 2 年前
I knew it! Americans have been doped for a long time.
penjelly大约 2 年前
Soma vibes
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intellectronica大约 2 年前
And how much does juvenile-use cannabis deliver in tax revenue? ;)
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sneak大约 2 年前
Where I am from, this means that white and white adjacent people are now making revenues that formerly went to black people.
throwaway22032大约 2 年前
Meanwhile there are places banning tobacco.<p>We&#x27;re just swapping burning one herb for another.<p>Personally I don&#x27;t smoke but having tried both, nicotine is hands down better. It sharpens the mind, unlike cannabis which always just made me feel like I&#x27;d lowered my IQ.<p>They&#x27;re both obviously hilariously unhealthy.
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