The Framework Laptop 13

There&#x27;s a &quot;Ryzen AI&quot; on these AMD cores that is really a modest sized fpga, supposedly. Linux has been landing some support for interfacing with this- calling it XDNA (on a new &quot;CDX&quot; bus) - but no signs yet that users can program it.<p>Would be a fun thing to get exposed to users. Fingers crossed that actually happens; I could definitely see this being very vendored up, that it ends up only really running a couple predefined ML workloads.

&gt; If you&#x27;re upgrading your Framework Laptop to the new Mainboard, remember that you&#x27;ll need ... a Ryzen-compatible RZ616 or similar WiFi card.<p>Why does WiFi card need to be &quot;compatible&quot; with CPU? Isn&#x27;t it enough to be compatible with PCI-Express? Or are there backdoors that do not work with Intel-backdoor-compatible WiFi cards?

I&#x27;ve been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That&#x27;s a huge issue to me.<p>Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I&#x27;ve had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she&#x27;s getting old, especially now that everything depends on video transcoding that it doesn&#x27;t support at the hardware level.

I’ll wait to see if they have proper “sleep” mode such that they don’t keep draining batter while not in use, particularly when running Linux. This is something that baffles me about non Apple Laptops how they just refuse to catch up to such a great benefit.. (alongside the trackpad experience which I can may be live with).

Title should be changed to mention the fact that this is about the Ryzen mainboard.

&quot;We haven’t opened ordering in your region yet, but we’re looking forward to getting there!&quot;<p>...I&#x27;ve been waiting for two years with money in hand. Please let me pay you, please? Printing a set of keycaps for Scandinavian layouts can&#x27;t be _that_ expensive?

I&#x27;m super happy for this and it&#x27;s truly great to see framework continuing the quest, and I would still buy a new framework today (if they weren&#x27;t out of stock) but it is very frustrating how out of stock nearly everything is from current and last generation. You can&#x27;t even buy a new 12th gen intel at all, and the 11th gen important things (like US Keyboards) are out of stock. As a US English speaker with a a little Spanish, I&#x27;d have to settle for French or German keyboard which would annoy me to no end.<p>I cut framework a ton of slack for this during covid since everything supply chain was so crazy, but is this just the normal (or new normal) for framework? The dream of modularity and repairability only works when you can actually buy the replacement parts, and so far I&#x27;ve had my framework for almost two years and it&#x27;s been quite difficult to get parts when I needed them. Unfortunately the beauty and lightweightness of the framework means it is a lot more fragile than the Thinkpads and Dells I used to buy, so gets broken more when dropped&#x2F;abused. If I could get the parts I need it wouldn&#x27;t be a big deal, but as such...

I&#x27;d be a lot more interested in this if there was a way to get a decent keyboard on it, i.e. one with t-shaped arrow keys, instead of this terrible bar-shaped one. I ended up with some work Macbooks when they switched to bar-shaped and they were _miserable_ to use. I had to add some tape on the left and right keys just to get some tactile feedback about where my fingers had to end up. It&#x27;s an absolute dealbreaker for me these days, pretty much no matter how great everything else about the laptop may be.

I&#x27;m _really_ tempted to pre-order.<p>But I need first answers first:<p>- battery life for normal browser usage compared to the intel 11th gen version<p>- does Linux works well (e.g. no intel 12th gen integrated graphic tearing problems or similar), sleep power saving not being grate doesn&#x27;t matter

I wish their mainboard became an actual motherboard spec (something like LAPTOP-ATX), it seems like it&#x27;s proprietary. Would open the door for more folks to build swappable laptop boards.

&gt; If you&#x27;re upgrading your Framework Laptop to the new Mainboard, remember that you&#x27;ll need DDR5 SO-DIMMs up to DDR5-5600, along with a Ryzen-compatible RZ616 or similar WiFi card.<p>What&#x27;s a &quot;Ryzen-compatible&quot; WiFi card?

I still hope to see a non-x86 version. The less bloat the better.

I would love if there was an ARM flavour with 10+ hours of battery life under sustained use (like I can get on my M1).

Can&#x27;t wait to see some performance reviews on these new Framework laptops

That&#x27;s all great, but Framework team, when do you finally extend support for the rest of European countries?

What machine is in the top left of the photo? Looks a lot like a TRS-80 Model 100.<p>A Framework Model 100 conversion would be pretty awesome...

Will a Framework laptop give me hardware decoded video in Chrome out of the box on Ubuntu Jammy?<p>I have an xps-15 from work and it’s basically impossible to do. I spent so many hours trying things suggested online. As a result my Ubuntu experience is: “no you can’t stream video on battery or if you want to do anything else at the same time.”<p>While I think I should be able to smoothly run video on any modern laptop with any modern browser, Linux is Linux and I paid nothing for it so I can’t be picky. But I’m this close to buying a Framework just so I can have this capability.

Can someone explain the power consumption difference between one of these chips and an arm (eg m1)?

I had already pre-ordered off the previous announcement, and I&#x27;m glad I did. I&#x27;m excited to receive my DIY kit and assemble it.

I really like framework and I happy they are offering AMD.<p>But I really struggle to recommend Framework after they were unable at this time to fix a hardware issue. The headphone jack will beep when sound turns on and off. Framework confirmed with me that the vendor intended for this and they were unable to fix it because of the parts shortage. It is so annoying I bought a USB C dac to play the audio in.<p>The keyboard, they minimize way too much, like having to use the fn key for home, end, and pg up&#x2F;down, as well as insert, I need to press fn+shift+insert to paste something in gnome terminal which means I need to do it for Neovim.<p>Aside from that, I do like the 3:2 aspect ratio, even if it has issues with GNOME and websites. GNOME refuses to let you snap two windows to each side for some reason. Websites think your screen is too small and so you get the mobile version for a lot of sites.<p>Still, beautiful screen, excellent webcam, metal body. Needs more execution.

I&#x27;m waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don&#x27;t have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

I was almost certain my new laptop would be one of the newer thinkpads, but this might change it for me.<p>Kind of wish they offered a matte-black version though. I know its trivial, but I do love that Thinkpad look

Hmm, do they have keyboards that fix up the arrow key cluster? Either all half-height (plus page up&#x2F;down above the left&#x2F;right keys) or all full-height?

Does it used shared memory between CPU and GPU?

I am puzzled by the lack of keyboard layouts for Switzerland (we have the cash to spend on such novelties!). Also, no DVORAK? Is this for hackers or not?<p>French Canadian $99 English International $99 German $99 US English $99 French $99 British English $99 Clear ANSI $109 Blank ANSI $109 Black ISO $109 Clear ISO $109

ECC?

One thing I&#x27;ve learned from running an M1 processor is how much memory bandwidth actually matters for my use case.<p>I don&#x27;t see this listed anywhere. Anyone have any ideas how this compares to something like an M1?

That performance per TDP of that 8C chip is unreal. Congrats to framework for doing the right and coolest thing. I am fanatical about what this company is doing.

Has anyone tried building a home cluster out of these motherboards?<p>For home clusters, quiet and low power are worth a hell of a lot more than they are in a data center.

Really, really can&#x27;t wait for the Framework 16.

Better display please! 2256x1504 is so 2010!

Am I the only one persistently mistaking the Framework logo for an ugly flower instead of a screw head?

My ideal laptop. I wonder if there will be ergonomic keyboards for the 13 inch model.

Is there any proprietary firmware on these? If this is <i>truly</i> open, I&#x27;m excited, otherwise I do not care one bit.<p>(Scrolling down the comments, I am honestly disappointed that I am the only person asking this question. Or does everyone else already know and I&#x27;m just out of touch?)

Where&#x27;s the framework &#x27;surface&#x27;?

The questions I always ask:<p>- Does it have atlest two m.2 slots?<p>- Can I have WIFI <i>and</i> WWAN (5G)?<p>- Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM)<p>- Does it have a 4k display? (it&#x27;s 2023, come on!)<p>Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I&#x27;d <i>love</i> to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.