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Free speech under attack across Ireland, UK, Europe and globally

93 点作者 Bran_son大约 2 年前

9 条评论

youwillsee1大约 2 年前
The thread is spot on. The hate speech laws have a very broad and vague definition so governments can act on populist impulses.<p>In UK, some guys got arrested under this pretext for burning a cardboard pretending it was a Grenfell tower. How is this the governments business? At all?<p>But people demanded &quot;justice&quot; and so the police stepped in<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=e8akk-nZtuk">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=e8akk-nZtuk</a> &quot;hate speech&quot;
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sph大约 2 年前
&quot;So this is how liberty dies... with thundering applause.&quot;<p>The amount of people defending these laws in this thread is a frightening proof of this.<p>Everywhere these days you can find someone smart and utterly naive with their &quot;but actually...&quot; argument pushing the Overton window closer and closer to a censorship state, and there are not enough neutral people arguing for free speech itself. Only the weirdos and racist ones which are easy to hate and root against.<p>So all this playing Devil&#x27;s advocate is actually helping along the normalization of these free speech bans.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;BiqDZlAZygU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;BiqDZlAZygU</a>
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2015bok1大约 2 年前
This thread and the comments here don&#x27;t make it clear how extreme the Irish law is. If you&#x27;re found in possession of anything deemed hate speech, you are legally presumed to be guilty unless you can prove you are using it for law enforcement or academic purposes. Possession is punishable by up to 2 years imprisonment.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;LFJIreland&#x2F;status&#x2F;1652774182210396165" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;LFJIreland&#x2F;status&#x2F;1652774182210396165</a><p>It&#x27;s an enormous amount of power that could allow the government to target literally anyone - if you look hard enough, many texts could be read as hate speech in this law (for example, the Bible advocates genocide against certain ethnic groups).
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slotrans大约 2 年前
Those places don&#x27;t have free speech. They never have.
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CommanderData大约 2 年前
No thing as free speech, there&#x27;s consequences to saying anything you want. Rightly so hate speech is removed from platforms and those people face prison time. What falls under that is constantly changing.<p>There&#x27;s no real debates on whether Nazis should be given platforms on reddit or YouTube.
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kranke155大约 2 年前
Absolutely bizarre content. I feel like the Cambridge Analytica-type botfarms have been on overdrive lately.
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uvnq大约 2 年前
Disclaimer: all of my beliefs are based on assumptions, and any of the assumptions I am making here could be wrong. This is my perspective on this issue and has been for a while.<p>I look to the beliefs of the people pushing such measures. They believe hate speech is violence. Not that it merely is bad, but that it actually equates to violence. In fact, certain forms of hate speech are not just violence, but genocide. The government could arrest someone for having materials on your device to commit violence in the form of bombs or shootings, why can&#x27;t they arrest you for hate speech then? How did we treat the Nazis after their genocide? Since they believe that going against the government&#x27;s beliefs is equal to genocide, will we be treated that way for &quot;wrongthink&quot;? This leads me to believe that it is possible in the future they may even try to kill you under the guise of preventing hate speech. It&#x27;s happened before in many countries thay believed they were modern, rational, and scientific. Why can&#x27;t it happen now? Because &quot;we&#x27;re not in a history book&quot;? I wonder if someday this comment of mine will be used as exhibit A of evidence I &quot;committed genocidal acts of hate speech&quot; and should be shipped off to the gulag or concentration camp.<p>The beliefs of these people are creating a mathematical gradient pushing our society and culture towards punishment, revenge, hatred, and tyranny.. and who knows what the limits are to how far it will go.<p>For those of you inclined to disagree because of how extreme this conclusion sounds, I understand why you would do that, but that heuristic would also have led you astray in the numerous atrocities committed in what people in the 1900s believed were &quot;modern times&quot;. The atrocities seemed to have been a product of human nature and our nature certainly hasn&#x27;t changed in 80-50 years; if anything we have become prideful and don&#x27;t think we need to watch out for our nature, which I would assume exacerbates our susceptibility to the flaws in our nature.<p>I am very interested to hear the thoughts of those of you who agree and disagree with me.<p>God bless
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throwawaylinux大约 2 年前
Something something thunderous applause.
Tanjreeve大约 2 年前
I thought this would be about all of the arrests of environmental protestors and anti royalist campaigners in the UK rather than the usual drivel about the right to be bigoted.