Functionality that has been deprecated in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9

Keep in mind what this means with RHEL&#x27;s support lifecycle: that Xorg will not be included in <i>RHEL 10</i> (which is probably still a long ways out). It stays a supported part of RHEL 9 until at least 2032.<p>Notices like this give our customers a lot of time (literally a decade) to find replacements for anything being deprecated.

Another surprise for me: removal of the `scp` command. I hadn&#x27;t even realized that `openssh` provided a command named `sftp`; for some reason I always assumed that `scp` was using the `SFTP` protocol under the hood, but maybe I shouldn&#x27;t take that for granted.

&gt; The X11 protocol remains fully supported using the XWayland back end.<p>And they already got rootful xwayland, so if you want to keep using X11 all this means is that you have to replace one X server with another.

Wow, not even Debian has done this. What a world in which RHEL is more adventurous than Debian.<p>So, is Wayland ready? I&#x27;ve been afraid to try it, but maybe it&#x27;s time to take the plunge. How is gaming on Wayland? I&#x27;m afraid many games have been compiled for X.org.

Hot damn this list is <i>fantastic</i>, I have exactly 0 complaints. All this stuff has been more than a decade in the making for removal.<p>I was and still am worried about IBM meddling but Fedora&#x2F;Redhat is still killing it in pushing Linux forward and being the biggest driver for ecosystem wide changes.<p>🫡 to iptables for being with us so long, but the future of programmable declarative firewall rules is so unbelievably worth it.

I&#x27;m very happy to see iptables deprecated, that&#x27;ll force kubernetes and friends to support nftables instead, a win for everyone!

RHEL itself is deprecated for desktop&#x2F;workstation use. I last used RHEL in that capacity 10 years ago and even then it was apparent that this was a niche it wasn&#x27;t well suited for.

Errrr..... what is it replaced with?

Hopefully EPEL keeps X alive, like they did with KDE after it got axed from RHEL&#x27;s official repos. Wayland still doesn&#x27;t have feature parity with X yet, and at the rate things are going, it still won&#x27;t by the next RHEL release.

No ipset or iptables? Hard pass. There is literally no reason for them to get rid of something that works, and isn&#x27;t full of security holes.<p>Edit: while nftables can replace iptables, I don&#x27;t know of a replacement for ipset.

Hope that wayland will have caught up feature wise at that point.

Expected.<p>I still run Xorg... for the steam client and some video games.<p>I will need a dma-buf&#x2F;drm&#x2F;vulkan wayland compositor (like the one on the steam deck), but coded reasonably, namely in plain and simple C.<p>Nowadays, innovation in software means removing and simplifying, not adding and complexifying.<p>ELF should be decrecated and replace by something way simpler (for instance putting TLS here was a huge mistake).

After seeing the headline, I decided to try out KDE on Wayland (KDE on X is my daily driver at home). It locked my tty, displaying nothing to my screens, and I had to hard reset my machine.<p>I guess Wayland doesn&#x27;t support egpus? Either way, it really doesn&#x27;t feel ready for primetime to me.

Obviously they are talking about a server case. No one would do it for the desktop where XWayland is still a major dependency.<p>One thing where it can be useful on the server though is clipboard forwarding. What is the alternative in the end to end Wayland use case?

Have I been asleep at the wheel or is this libvirtd change a RHEL only thing? Last few times I spun up libvirt on Ubuntu, there was only libvirtd. Maybe it spins up the non-monolithic services in the background and I didn’t notice?

This is extremely ballsy by RHEL so you know what, I am in support of it.<p>Will it work? Idk their client base. But its cool they&#x27;re trying it.

I want to switch back to Linux but I keep having gpu driver issues. Everything was fine until I got a 165hz monitor then had random crashes. If the fact I am using gnome on xorg vs Wayland was the problem (who knows, I gave up on debugging) then I&#x27;m all for it<p>I&#x27;d rather just use windows and run Linux in a vm then not use the features of the monitor that I bought.

And this is surprising… how exactly?

RIP floppies and scp and sha1 and x11.

Just another reason not to run IBM...

Good. Wayland is ready. Any GPU&#x2F;DE that hasn&#x27;t fully supported Wayland should be abandoned at this point.

The only people left I see arguing for X are Linux zealots that hate any sort of change.