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The Neon God

53 点作者 DeusExMachina大约 2 年前

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thinkingemote大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve enjoyed his writing on the whole - the author was an extreme green activist which I think informs some of the more radical ideas in this article. He&#x27;s now against environmentalism or at least the political manifestation of it which is basically mainstream policy in most European countries.<p>He is a Christian convert but his radical roots show through. There&#x27;s the danger for cultural commentators of seeing the apocalypse around every corner and in thinking that right now this very moment is the most important of all time (and not observing that we have thought that at every moment in the past too!) and there&#x27;s the attraction for authors that stories invoking fear are a powerful motivator for attention and that it lends emotion to stories. Without this we would get blander, dryer and less emotion filled reports. Less eyeballs.<p>Nevertheless behind this at the foreground which I have to navigate, there are some interesting ideas and stories in the article. Those bots in churches and temples are so weird , but seeing the AI developments with a spiritual lens could be good.<p>I&#x27;d suggest reading some of the comments in the article too.
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low_tech_love大约 2 年前
<i>Ilia Delio, a Franciscan nun who writes about the relationship between AI and God, has a better idea: gender-neutral robot priests, which will challenge the patriarchy, prevent sexual abuse...</i><p>Ok, that&#x27;s enough internet for today (and it&#x27;s only 11:00).
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sampo大约 2 年前
&gt; AI researcher Eliezer Yudkowsky<p>I guess you can call anyone you want a researcher, it&#x27;s not like the term has any legal meaning. But in a more conservative sense, Yudkowsky is not a researcher. Maybe an activist?<p>&gt; regarded as a leader in the field of Artificial General Intelligence<p>No. Not regarded as a leader.
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noufalibrahim大约 2 年前
When AI generated art hit the internet a few months ago, one of things that occurred to me was that this would scale&#x2F;democratise&#x2F;whatever the production of art. So things which required it commercially (movies, video games etc.) would be affected significantly. However, the producer of individual pieces would still need to do it for his own sake. Things like art therapy, medium of expression etc. all produce art finally but the process is the point and using an AI to do that wouldn&#x27;t have the same effect. Perhaps there&#x27;s some mid point where AI could just be seen as another brush or pen for the artist but that&#x27;s a digression.<p>Going further on this line of thought, if we were successfully able to automate things so much that human effort is no longer necessary for most of our daily activities and we have a lot of leisure time (the promise that almost every tech. revolution has made), the existential question of what do we do with all this time looms. The answer, I think, given current trends, is to consume and distract ourselves so that we don&#x27;t think about this.<p>One thing that&#x27;s a huge part of human history is religion and while a lot of people can disagree on the truth of it, its personal utility for (or atleast effect on) individuals is pretty much a given. I don&#x27;t know how effective an AI bot issuing blessings will actually have the &quot;effect on the user&quot; but that remains to be seen.<p>As a religious person myself, I feel it&#x27;s kind of defeatist if there is no human being who has the time and interest to actually preach to his congregation and guide them on their spiritual journeys. I can personally say that listening to a bot deliver a sermon or a speech wouldn&#x27;t have any effect on me and I&#x27;d probably stop going to wherever it&#x27;s operating. Perhaps my background in tech. makes this transparent to me so I might be the exception but nevertheless.
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leashless大约 2 年前
&quot;If there was a big red button that turned off the Internet, I would press it without hesitation. Then I would collect every screen in the world and bulldoze the lot down into a deep mineshaft, which I would seal with concrete, and then I would skip away smiling into the sunshine.&quot;<p>I know Paul Kingsnorth from the &quot;Dark Mountain&quot; days -- I worked closely with Dougald Hine on a project (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;collapsonomics.org" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;collapsonomics.org</a>) before they started Dark Mountain.<p>The rhetoric is strong, but the realism is not. Next step: let&#x27;s turn off the electricity.
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rob74大约 2 年前
&gt; <i>Not to be outdone, a protestant church in Germany has developed a robot called - I kid you not - BlessU-2. BlessU-2, which looks like a character designed by Aardman Animations, can ‘forgive your sins in five different languages’, which must be handy if they’re too embarrassing to confess to a human.</i><p>Except that&#x27;s not how it works for protestants. In the Lutheran church, to quote Wikipedia (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Confession_(religion)#Lutheranism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Confession_(religion)#Lutheran...</a>):<p>&gt; <i>The first form of confession and absolution is done at the Divine Service with the assembled congregation (similar to the Anglican tradition). Here, the entire congregation pauses for a moment of silent confession, recites the confiteor, and receives God&#x27;s forgiveness through the pastor as he says the following (or similar): &quot;Upon this your confession and in the stead and by the command of my Lord Jesus Christ, I forgive you all your sins in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.&quot;</i><p>...so you don&#x27;t need to actually confess your sins to anyone, but you do need a priest to &quot;hand out&quot; God&#x27;s forgiveness. Which is what this robot (which is &quot;meant to start a debate about the future of technology and the church&quot; in the city where Martin Luther nailed his &quot;95 Theses&quot; to the church door) does.
flipgimble大约 2 年前
In my own life I try to hold some of the skeptical views of what technology is doing to my attention and time. I am striving to enact a discipline and focus of attention that sounds very much like the Askesis he describes. Sometimes it works, and then I&#x27;m back here.<p>However I am concerned about the conservatism and religious overtones of the anti-technology reactionaries. To me (and a large and growing demographic) modern major religions are at best irrelevant, or morally bankrupt and malignant. Its a shame to because we lost some deeper dimensions of human experience this way.<p>The core teaching of Buddhism is the middle path: neither absolute asceticism nor hedonism.<p>I also like how John Vervaeke puts it: &quot;Neither utopia, nor nostalgia&quot; (is the path to wisdom, presumably).
stareatgoats大约 2 年前
And the people bowed and prayed To the neon god they made<p>And the sign flashed out its warning In the words that it was forming<p>And the sign said, &quot;The words of the prophets Are written on the subway walls<p>And tenement halls And whispered in the sounds of silence.&quot;<p><i>The sound of silence - Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel</i>
fiforpg大约 2 年前
The parts where the author is scandalized about the tasteless use of technology in religion read less as a critique of technology then that of religion. If anything, they demonstrate that the human-written sermons were just as robotic.
bluepizza大约 2 年前
Even more relevant to the text is that Pepper the Robot Priest was obviously a marketing ploy to get attention. Everyone involved clearly understood that this idea would be shocking.<p>This is how you build dystopias: one product at a time.
Myrmornis大约 2 年前
I&#x27;m not sure if it counts as technological askesis but I can highly recommend birdwatching. Going walking in natural areas is a million times better when you can start to put a name to all the birds you inevitably see and hear. (And don&#x27;t discount the &quot;hear&quot; - learning to be able to identify species from the sounds you hear when walking is one of the best parts; especially as you tend to hear more species than you see).
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chrisco255大约 2 年前
&gt; Even here, I thought, even them. If even they can’t make a stand, who possibly could?<p>I don&#x27;t know much about Mount Athos, but the Amish famously have rejected modern technology including smart phones, so it certainly <i>is</i> possible to live without them, despite the author&#x27;s jarring impression of the monks.
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phist_mcgee大约 2 年前
This reminds me of the novel &#x27;Hyperion&#x27;, which explores religion and technology in the far future.
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bowsamic大约 2 年前
Correct me if I’m wrong but he gives no real reason to feel the way he does, that technology is evil. This seems just like some emotional prejudice (shared by many Americans for some reason) that he expects all others to share. Perhaps he needs to actually analyse why he feels this way
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petesergeant大约 2 年前
I mean this basically just boils down to:<p>&gt; my belief in the profanity of technology is not widely shared, and that even people who I imagined would have a serious critique of technology often simply don’t<p>with a vague suggestion that the religious people who dedicate their life to spiritual pursuits are in the wrong
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pyrale大约 2 年前
&gt; BlessU-2, which looks like a character designed by Aardman Animations, can ‘forgive your sins in five different languages’<p>I really wonder if people use that thing.
pnut大约 2 年前
Praying to a machine is silly. That is the least creative interpretation of what role technology can play in an individual&#x27;s spiritual journey.<p>Imagine this guy was born a hundred years from now. No way his judgment on the relationship between humanity and technology would look the same, so all of this hand wringing is a nice pastime, but not saying anything substantial.
dale_glass大约 2 年前
This is kind of old news. I think something like two decades ago one of my friends went on her honeymoon to Japan and got her Mac blessed in a temple by a Shinto priest.<p>Even Christian churches do machine stuff, just in a way slightly less goofy to our eyes.<p>Eg, coin operated votive candles: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;c7.alamy.com&#x2F;comp&#x2F;A82EPW&#x2F;artificial-candles-lit-when-paid-for-using-coin-in-slot-roman-catholic-A82EPW.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;c7.alamy.com&#x2F;comp&#x2F;A82EPW&#x2F;artificial-candles-lit-when...</a>
smaddox大约 2 年前
Quite the deluded and hypocritical take. The author focuses exclusively on the negative aspects of technology while ignoring all of its positive benefits. Even the fact that he&#x27;s using technology in both writing and publishing this essay is framed as valiantly attacking the machine from within.<p>No doubt our world is far from perfect, but does he honestly believe destruction of technology would somehow magically improve the situation, when we know from history that our technological past was full of just as much, if not more, unnecessary suffering than the present?<p>Vigilance is necessary, yes. Reducing our reliance on fickle technology is valuable, yes. Practicing mindfullness, in our use of technology as in other aspects of everyday life, is beneficial, yes. But, no, destruction is not merited.