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Validation is a mirage

3 点作者 vladmk大约 2 年前

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sebastianconcpt大约 2 年前
<p><pre><code> If you want to see if something works, make it. The whole thing. The simplest version of the whole thing – that’s what version 1.0 is supposed to be. But make that, put it out there, and learn. If you want answers, you have to ask the question, and the question is: Market, what do you think of this completed version 1.0 of our product? </code></pre> I think is totally right about the question.<p>The industry isn&#x27;t used to breaking the marketeers hype mirages, on the contrary, is used to create new ones with products that fill the void.
emrah大约 2 年前
Rob Walling says (paraphrasing): &quot;the goal of validation is not to get to 100%. That&#x27;s not really possible. The point is to reduce uncertainty&#x2F;risk. You can maybe get to 50-60% at most. The more you do to validate, the better your position is&quot; &lt;&lt; this is from one of his recent podcasts but can&#x27;t remember which.<p>So I think they are saying the same thing but Jason Fried has a more controversy provoking style
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vladmk大约 2 年前
What do you guys think of this Jason Fried article? It&#x27;s basically shooting down customer validation...interesting perspective
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rektide大约 2 年前
&gt; <i>What people are asking about is certainty ahead of time. But time doesn’t start when you start working on something, or when you have a piece of the whole ready. It starts when the whole thing hits the market.</i><p>This asking for certainty seems like a strong &amp; resounding central message to me.<p>I think there&#x27;s debateable-ness about how much certainty can be gotten ahead of time. There&#x27;s a lot of other evidence &amp; cause for belief one can try to gather. You can&#x27;t validate, but you can try to find reasons for your belief. I&#x27;m just not sure how valuable the Thomas Aquinas-esque search for cause really is.<p>&gt; <i>If you want to see if something works, make it. The whole thing.</i><p>Basically, yup. For a lot of things, we should be able to &quot;just build it.&quot; Especially with software. The cost of finding out for real ought be low enough. You want to not be wasting your time or other people&#x27;s money but that effort to validate seems daunting &amp; a weak indicator. It&#x27;s better if you can gather people who do have faith &amp; pursue something earnestly.<p>It&#x27;s not impossible to get data faster. At my last job, I had my first real (&amp; intentional) experience of &quot;let&#x27;s build one, test it, then throw it out&quot;. We prototyped something &amp; got data ahead of time about how it compared to what we were doing. We did decide to build the new thing. That was one example of validation: making it twice.<p>There&#x27;s still a big effort to launching, which I hope continues to simplify over time. I hope more pieces become readily available. Creating user management systems is no fun. A good backend-as-a-service system is highly desireable here, such as the now retired&#x2F;atticked Apache BaseGrid[1].<p>I love how this piece is so only-barely-subtly political. It&#x27;s trying to set you on a progressive path, on a march forward. It doesn&#x27;t reject fear uncertainty or doubt, but it deflates the idea that we can really know, unless we try, and it dares us to reach &amp; try. Not to go for half measures, of collecting belief, of trying to outsmart our fear, but to dive forward anyways. It&#x27;s all so nicely connected to one of my favorite rants, Yegge&#x27;s <i>Notes from the Mystery Machine</i>[2], which posits:<p>&gt; <i>&quot;Software engineering has its own political axis, ranging from conservative to liberal.&quot;</i><p>This is such a liberal attitude. &quot;Make it. The whole thing.&quot; Don&#x27;t let yourself be tattered by concern first. Follow forward.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;attic.apache.org&#x2F;projects&#x2F;usergrid.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;attic.apache.org&#x2F;projects&#x2F;usergrid.html</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;cornchz&#x2F;3313150" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;cornchz&#x2F;3313150</a>
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