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Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time

246 点作者 anteloper大约 2 年前
Hey HN, we&#x27;re Royce and Oliver, the founders of Clearspace (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.getclearspace.com">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.getclearspace.com</a>). We make an iPhone app that helps you reduce compulsive phone use. It regulates your social media experiences and app usage, saving you from impulse opens and mindless scrolls. Here’s a demo: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;file&#x2F;d&#x2F;1zXLYvtG1zZ6ZRq01eGc8jlsn70vlUZLj&#x2F;view" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;file&#x2F;d&#x2F;1zXLYvtG1zZ6ZRq01eGc8jlsn70v...</a><p>During the pandemic, we found ourselves spending more and more of our lives on digital content. Youtube, Instagram, Twitter, even HN were always <i>right</i> there, and the impulse to open and consume became stronger than ever. We realized how much of our technology use was compulsive rather than intentional. Willpower alone was not enough to solve the problem. Most of these products have been designed to activate dopamine feedback loops and, to be blunt, keep users hooked [1].<p>Not wanting to be addicted, we started cobbling together &quot;attention protection stacks&quot;: iPhone shortcuts, Chrome Extensions, custom &#x2F;etc&#x2F; files, anything to create digital environments that aligned with our own goals rather than the engagement metrics of big tech. We had some surprising successes with that, so we decided to build a comprehensive and approachable solution. We began with our worst pain point: mindless scrolling on our phones.<p>How it works: you tell us what apps you want to reduce your usage of (edit: and websites! we just rolled out website support this week), and we do the following to train better habits:<p>(1) App Intercepts: we inject a mandatory 15 second breathing exercise before opening apps you’ve added to Clearspace. This helps to break the dopamine feedback loop that your brain has learned, where tapping an app icon yields an instant reward.<p>(2) Intentional Sessions: at the end of said breathing exercise, you tell us how long you want to use an app for. Then you enter and we&#x27;ll pull you out after that amount of time.<p>(3) Cumulative Progress: each day you stay below your intended time limit adds to your streak of successes. Over time, protecting your streak frequently becomes more important than a &quot;quick scroll&quot; before bed (and if you get a 100 day under-budget streak, we&#x27;ll send you a hat).<p>(4) Teammates: you can add “teammates” who will receive automatic texts if you exceed your budget on an app, remove it from Clearspace, or delete Clearspace entirely.<p>You may notice how this is fighting fire with fire: we use tech to limit your tech use, social features to curtail social media, and so on. The mechanisms built into the big apps have such a conditioning effect on the brain, they’re nearly impossible for most people to resist. We invoke similarly powerful mechanisms on <i>your</i> behalf, to help your life be less dominated by these things.<p>Some of this only recently became technically possible. The new ScreenTime API from Apple allows users to connect apps on their phone to third party apps (like us). We receive opaque &quot;tokens&quot; for each user app selection and we can perform actions on the tokens, which affects the apps without us knowing what the actual apps are. We can add and remove &quot;shields&quot; to a token, which presents an obstructing interface over an app or website. We can display a user&#x27;s usage of a token over a time period and display that data to them.<p>Btw, after 3M &quot;app intercepts&quot; (a 15 second wait), we’ve found that people opt <i>not</i> to continue to the app they tried to open 54% of the time. We think that says something about how much of our social media use as a society is compulsive rather than intentional.<p>Here are some typical testimonials from users who have been recovering their time by using our app: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;martindaniel4&#x2F;status&#x2F;1630175865496584193" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;martindaniel4&#x2F;status&#x2F;1630175865496584193</a>, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;timzyu&#x2F;status&#x2F;1632551744340123650" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;timzyu&#x2F;status&#x2F;1632551744340123650</a>, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jandralee&#x2F;status&#x2F;1650674167174377473" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jandralee&#x2F;status&#x2F;1650674167174377473</a><p>If you&#x27;re an iPhone user, we&#x27;d love for you to try our app and let us know what you think! We have a freemium model: adding one app is free, paid tier gives you unlimited apps. Your feedback on the app would be deeply appreciated and more broadly we’d love to hear about how you’ve navigated this problem in your life.<p>[1] though maybe not HN: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=77173" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=77173</a>, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=372593" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=372593</a>.

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csmeder大约 2 年前
Hi Royce and Oliver, I have a suggestion: look into dimming the screen slowly for the last 30-60 seconds before you pull a person out of the app. This will greatly decrease the annoyance of being pulled out. It gives you time to anticipate being done with your session. I do this with my toddler.<p>We let him use our phone to look at family videos while we are changing him. If I turn the phone off abruptly, it can be frustrating for him at times. However, if I manually dim the screen more and more (and lower the volume more and more), it feels natural that the phone is getting &quot;tired&quot;. He is then okay with leaving the phone.
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fastball大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been using the app for a few months to gatekeep Twitter and Instagram, and my only real issue is that sometimes when those apps are <i>linked</i> to from other places, I just want to be able to quickly see it <i>and then</i> stop my doomscrolling. e.g. if my friend sends me a tweet, I want to be able to click the link, read the tweet, and then be immediately locked out of the app. With the current system, I click the link, have to do the whole 10s breathing exercise + quote, then read the tweet, and I still have a bit of time to mess around in the app before I&#x27;m locked out. So I actually end up spending more time distracted in those situations than I otherwise would.
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Aea大约 2 年前
Love the idea of interrupting the &quot;dopamine loop&quot; with a delay vs. simply tracking or restricting usage. I worked on creating a Chrome Extension several years ago for myself and I can&#x27;t believe I didn&#x27;t have this (in retrospect) obvious idea. I have a few concerns:<p>* The UI feels somewhat unpolished for asking me to purchase an annual plan on signup.<p>* I would prefer a free version that is fully featured for a short trial period that later reverts to a limited (one app) version. I have more than one problem app and it&#x27;s hard to get a feel right now.<p>* Can I overlap schedules (i.e. open during lunch and any time during the weekend)?<p>* How do I set this up for something like YouTube? I have several modes of using this app: 1) mindlessly watching 5-10 minute videos looking for the next one, or 2) setting up a long playlist while I&#x27;m working out and treating it as a podcast app. I only want to prevent the former.
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akshithg大约 2 年前
I’ve been using onesec[1] for a year now it’s been working great for me. Additionally works great on the browser I use.<p>Onesec uses the shortcut&#x2F;automation on iOS to intercept app open and not the screen time api you mentioned. So it does take a little time for the initial setup, that’s the only friction I remember from a long time.<p>Just putting it out there.<p>I do like the additional social feature here. Would give it a try.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;one-sec.app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;one-sec.app&#x2F;</a>
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mustacheemperor大约 2 年前
I&#x27;m a Clearspace user who found this app via a post on HN, and I can&#x27;t thank the creators enough. I have not fully extracted myself from use of Reddit yet, but it&#x27;s remarkable how effective this app was at breaking my cycle of opening, scrolling, closing, and reopening less than an hour later. I&#x27;ve tried other screentime management apps, but it seems like something about Clearspace&#x27;s approach with the centering exercises and the intentional choice to spend X minutes browsing changes your mental relationship with the feed.<p>I genuinely feel as though I am more present during idle moments and have reclaimed time to myself - truly to myself - during my weekends.<p>I am very grateful for Clearspace. Now, I just wish you&#x27;d release a Firefox extension so I can lock down Reddit from my computer too.
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martingalex2大约 2 年前
It is wholly interesting that such a tool is needed. We need a new generation motivated by self-control and at an early age be critical of how technology triggers dopamine responses. I would be interested in seeing clinical classification of app addictions as a real health issue that deserves treatment. The real answer is to put down the phone. We (in this industry) are all complicit in the creation and promulgation of this problem.
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tedmiston大约 2 年前
There are a couple other similar popular screen time apps, such as Opal [1] and one sec [2]. They both also operate on a similar freemium &#x2F; IAP model. For comparison, ClearSpace falls in the middle price-wise:<p>- Opal: $20&#x2F;mo, $100&#x2F;yr, $300–400&#x2F;lifetime (4.7&#x2F;5 stars with 6.1k ratings)<p>- one sec: $4&#x2F;mo, $15&#x2F;yr, $40&#x2F;lifetime (4.9&#x2F;5 stars with 6.2k ratings)<p>- ClearSpace: $7&#x2F;mo, $45&#x2F;yr, (n&#x2F;a?)&#x2F;lifetime (4.7&#x2F;5 stars with 404 ratings)<p>In the thread you&#x27;ve addressed some current features differences already (progress &#x2F; streaks tracking, and pulling one out of an app after a set time limit).<p>Are there specific things you want to do <i>differently</i> in the future than what those apps do today? [They appear to be going in two very different directions.]<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opal.so&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opal.so&#x2F;</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;one-sec.app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;one-sec.app&#x2F;</a>
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paolomaffei大约 2 年前
Great work! I think apps like this will be seen as pioneers in the age of getting back our attention. From somebody else very interested in the topic, with a pending HN application for a startup app in the same space
siquick大约 2 年前
My partner and I have been using this for a couple of months to curb phone addiction and happy to say it has worked wonders for both of us. I was spending more than an hour scrolling Reddit before but now I look at I for maybe 5 minutes a week.<p>You’ve changed our lives - thank you
awwstn大约 2 年前
i found this a few weeks ago and have been really enjoying it. i’m on the paid plan. my screen time on twitter and instagram has gone down significantly as a result of the slight inconvenience every time i open them. and doing the breathing exercise before plunging into hellish social media is also surprisingly refreshing.<p>the app is a little bit buggy, which sometimes makes it impossible to “pause” it. but one could argue that’s a feature not a bug!<p>overall impressed with Clearspace’s clever approach to this issue.
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endisneigh大约 2 年前
though I do like this app. this app, along with onesec really illustrate what&#x27;s annoying about modern tech development. why pay monthly for something whose feature set rarely changes? something like this ideally should be $10 once.
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pantojax45大约 2 年前
Why&#x2F;how is your app better than setting native screen time limits in iOS? Doesn’t that accomplish the same thing (except tapping numbers rather than seeing a quote).<p>(All that said, glad you’re poking at this issue!)
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jtlicardo大约 2 年前
This is great. When do you plan to release the Android version?
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Kareem71大约 2 年前
Freedom.to has been working pretty effectively for me on Android. You guys care to comment on why your approach may be better? Definitely willing to try you guys out
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TobyTheDog123大约 2 年前
Wow. I didn&#x27;t know Apple let apps have that level of restriction on other installed apps. Perhaps I&#x27;m behind on my iOS APIs. I&#x27;d be eager to learn more on what kind of parental-control&#x2F;screen-time magic goes into this.<p>This is really cool, like incredibly cool.<p>Screen Time reminders just did not work for me, it was a no-brainer to just hit &quot;Get more time&quot; and put in my passcode, but this adds a lot more friction.<p>Still, I think it&#x27;s a bandaid on a larger problem, and if I was truly addicted (which I very well could be), I would just change the settings or uninstall the app. Not a problem you can solve, of course, but this is still a great leap forward.
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joewhatkins大约 2 年前
The nag&#x2F;friction that happens every time I try to open the app when I&#x27;m under buddget on this has cut down my doomscrolling so much. Really a fan of this approach - Twitter usage is down probably 95%. General stoke on this is really high!
mauz大约 2 年前
Been using this for the past couple of weeks; reduced my instagram usage time by over 80%. Loving the approach you took for this!
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lukko大约 2 年前
Really cool! I did try One Sec, but actually setting up the shortcut to divert is quite tedious, and it only works at the point of opening the restricted app.<p>I like the UI, just wondering if the &#x27;Breathe&#x27; prompt will get old quite quickly. I created an app (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lungy.app" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lungy.app</a>) that tries to make each breathing session feel very different, hopefully making it feel fresh each time - I wonder if more variation would work in this case too.
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keenmaster大约 2 年前
Do the usage limitation controls also apply to Safari and other mobile browsers?<p>I.e. if I add the Facebook app to clearspace, can I also add friction to using Facebook.com? This looks great by the way
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ianstormtaylor大约 2 年前
Congrats on the launch! This is a great product idea.<p>I&#x27;d advise redesigning the way your website blocking works though. For myself—and I&#x27;d assume a lot of folks—the idea that a website has to be attached to an app doesn&#x27;t make sense. I&#x27;ve already deleted the Twitter app for example, but would still like to block Twitter&#x27;s website. Or there&#x27;s Mastodon which has never been an app on my phone. The current flow around this is very confusing&#x2F;broken. (Apple&#x27;s built-in Screen Time app actually has a solution for this already, with &quot;Websites…&quot; as a category to block by, where you just enter the website of your choice.)<p>I&#x27;d also recommend working with a designer because the app feels sort of janky at the moment. It&#x27;s not just the main flow, but the interface and copy everywhere feel haphazard and doesn&#x27;t inspire a lot of confidence. The idea for the app is so simple, and I think the execution could be equally simple in a really satisfying way.<p>I signed up for the subscription, but had already cancelled by the next day because of these faults. With a few fixes I think this could be very successful.
lvkv大约 2 年前
How does Clearspace differentiate itself from One Sec, which has existed in this space for almost two years (if not longer)?<p>I’m particularly interested in: - Is Clearspace cheaper over time?<p>- Does Clearspace work on websites as well as apps?<p>- Does Clearspace require manual Shortcuts setup like One Sec does?<p>- Are there features here that I don’t know I want?
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wnolens大约 2 年前
Struggling with this right now and would pay immediately if it were available on Android. Keep it up!
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tedmiston大约 2 年前
How long until you get a FAANG acquihire offer where they quietly shut this app down? &#x2F;s (kinda)
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Gerard0大约 2 年前
Serious question: are we sure we get a dopamine reward&#x2F;thing when we do this? Has this been proven?<p>Not saying this &quot;addiction&quot; does not exist. I like some &quot;drugs&quot; and smoke and my phone is by far the worst and hardest to manage&#x2F;quit.
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chandureddyvari大约 2 年前
I’ve been using Screen zen for quite some time now. I found it to be incredibly useful. Curious to know how clearspace is different from screenzen, given the latter is free on app store. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;in&#x2F;app&#x2F;screenzen-screen-time-control&#x2F;id1541027222" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;in&#x2F;app&#x2F;screenzen-screen-time-control&#x2F;...</a>
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immy大约 2 年前
Great app, been using it for months happily. Hope you don’t turn the screws on revenue following the venture scale playbook. You really do just have a simple app in the end. Would make a great open source nonprofit project like Signal, I can imagine foundations would fund it.<p>Edit: discovered ScreenZen thru comments and confirmation ClearSpace is running the venture playbook (with differentiating features I don’t think many care about). ScreenZen seems better aligned to go the nonprofit&#x2F;OSS route.
kevinwang大约 2 年前
I just see &quot;tap the notification&quot; and &quot;didn&#x27;t get the notification?&quot; brings me to a page that says &quot;do not disturb active&quot; and &quot;you can allow clearspace anyway in Settings -&gt; Focus&quot;.<p>I went to Settings-&gt;Focus-&gt;Do Not Disturb and added the Clearspace app to &quot;Allow Notifications&quot;, but still see nothing.<p>Edit: ah, it&#x27;s because iOS&#x27;s own Screentime was blocking the Clearspace app, which was blocking the notification.
abpavel大约 2 年前
Truly Awesome! However &quot;the website is not supported&quot; is a dealbreaker for me. I do my doom scrolling through browsers, as the apps have already been restricted through screen time.
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renewiltord大约 2 年前
My problem is that I use Chrome to check something reasonable and then find myself exiting this fugue state after I have made a dozen comments on various social media boards like HN or Reddit. When I&#x27;ve tried things that block browser before, they interrupt my normal work. That&#x27;s frustrating so I disable them.<p>Without sophistication I am never going to use a piece of software that just blocks apps.<p>I hope your software is able to help people who have the problem but don&#x27;t use the website version of things.
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atleastoptimal大约 2 年前
I get the feeling that all these &quot;digital detox&quot; apps, if they aim to scale and make more money, will do so by &quot;whitelisting&quot; certain popular apps by making access to them relatively easier, bottlenecking the competitors.<p>Let&#x27;s say it&#x27;s the future, 10% of phone users have some version of this on their phone. Snapchat pays them 10 million to reduce the penalty for using Snapchat auto-suggest Instagram on the block list.
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Fraaaank大约 2 年前
What is the difference between Clearspace and One Sec (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;one-sec.app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;one-sec.app&#x2F;</a>) ?
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_rohan大约 2 年前
Looking at my screen time stats, I spend most of my phone time in the browser. Is there a way to restrict specific websites instead of the browser as a whole?
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ryanisnan大约 2 年前
This looks great! The only thing I&#x27;d really advocate for is not pricing the app ridiculously. I tried Opal for a while, but their pricing model per month is a bit ridiculous. Effectively a subscription service for what should be a single-purchase app demonstrates developer greed.<p>Edit: I&#x27;m a bit disappointed to see monthly fees here. Can you help justify to me why an app like this demands ongoing cost?
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stusmall大约 2 年前
This is something I&#x27;ll happily pay for. Love to see the freemium model. Can&#x27;t wait for the Android version
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phone8675309大约 2 年前
Love the app. It’s been very helpful. My only problem is the subscription model. If you had one-time payment for a lifetime license I would buy it in an instant.<p>Great product, has saved me a lot of time and focus, wish I could have more than one app without a subscription.
breck大约 2 年前
My phone broke about a year ago and I never replaced it. That has made my life a lot better. More time to be in the moment with people and think. Highly recommend it.<p>(I have an iPad Pro as you still need something that can run apps, but there&#x27;s no risk of me lugging that thing around)
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Wronnay大约 2 年前
For me, Screen Time is enough. I would be more interested into an Android App for that. In my experience, the Android Settings (Digital Wellbeing) are not so polished for that and not available on every phone (only Android 10 and higher).
rd大约 2 年前
are there docs available on the screentime API? I remember looking into doing this a while back, and nothing was available as recently as 6 months ago. would love to chat more about this if you have the time - any email i can reach you at?
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annie_muss大约 2 年前
What are you thoughts on people with ADHD using your app? Do you think they benefit from the same approach or something different? Do you plan to do anything to tackle the more emotional side of app&#x2F;web addiction?
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itake大约 2 年前
Does this work for launching apps throw search? I’ve been wanting to try it, but I assume you’re doing the “replace an app with a shortcut that redirects trick.” I think the original all can still be found via search?
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vira28大约 2 年前
Here is a simple change I did which reduced my phone usage:<p>1. Deleted all the native social media apps from phone<p>2. Stored passwords in a vault on my personal laptop<p>If I do need to &quot;use&quot; a site, I&#x27;ve to do it only through my personal laptop.
TechBro8615大约 2 年前
I love the concept. Have you guys considered selling dumb phones? If done right I think you could make them a cool status item, or build a brand around the general idea of reverting to less addictive tech.
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bmarquez大约 2 年前
How would your company protect itself against Sherlocking? (when an OS adds features previously available as 3rd party apps)<p>It seems like Google&#x27;s Digital Wellbeing or the Apple equivalent could steal these features.
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Invictus0大约 2 年前
Have you guys tested this on the iPhone SE 2020? There is some weird element hanging out at the bottom of the screen below the bottom bar.
oidar大约 2 年前
ok. I tried it out, bought the subscription and it&#x27;s super buggy. The blanks screens between the flow are just not smooth at all. Having to manage the notifications and the inbetween screens - is a mess. And when the you get an error that this app has been prevented from opening b&#x2F;c it is restricted - and get caught in a loop - it&#x27;s pretty off putting. Back to shortcuts for me.
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rohith2506大约 2 年前
Just wanna say that I am a regular user and it definitely reduced my screentime for all the social media I consume. Kudos
hackitup7大约 2 年前
I downloaded One Sec a few days ago based upon an HN rec, and it&#x27;s been really great for this class of problem
verse大约 2 年前
Hope you make an Android version
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moneywoes大约 2 年前
What’s the distinction between the IOS inbuilt feature that does this?
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snickmy大约 2 年前
I was wondering on IOS what api you are using to interject app call.
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computing大约 2 年前
Signed up right away. How does it work?
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cmpaul大约 2 年前
Take my money.
topthendown大约 2 年前
I know I need something like this
cwoolfe大约 2 年前
Great work! Thanks for sharing.
nhourcard大约 2 年前
love this. note that i struggled to find UK&#x27;s country code in your list.
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risyachka大约 2 年前
I need the same but for HN
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efields大约 2 年前
but I like screens
panchtatvam大约 2 年前
If one needs to use an app to reduce the time spent on apps, then the person already has no self control. Since your app promotes such ideology of people who are slaves to technology,this app actually promotes such a repressive machine dependent society.<p>Technology is supposed to serve society not rule or govern its habits. People should be taught to use technology not be a slave to it by using non-technology means.<p>---<p>यदि किसी व्यक्ति विशेष को इस एप्प का प्रयोग करके एपों पर हो रही समय की बरबादी को रोकना पड रहा है तो उस व्यक्ति का स्वयं पर नियंत्रण ही नहीं है । क्योंकि आपका एप्प ऐसे लोग जो कि तकनीक के गुलाम हैं की कुविचारधारा को प्रचलित करता है तो यह एप्प असल में ऐसी मशीन निर्धर समाज को प्रचार करता है ।<p>तकनीक समाज की सेवा करने के लिये है उसपर नियंत्रण या उसकी आदतों पर राज करने के लिये नहीं । लोगों को तकनीक का प्रयोग करना सिखाया जाना चाहिए ना कि उसका गुलाम बनना वो भी बिना तकनीकी माध्यमों से ।
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