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All the arguments against EVs are wrong

27 点作者 abhi9u大约 2 年前

12 条评论

rini17大约 2 年前
Author cites Hannah Ritchie who insists on comparing billions of tons of raw fossil fuels vs. millions of tons of REFINED metals. Not vs. raw metal ores - that would be half the tonnage of fossils already. It is handwaved away in the discussion below the Ritchie's article as "armchair concerns" and "minor part" and "we don't know exactly". I think such serious topic deserves more intellectually honest analysis.
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sowbug大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been going in range-anxiety circles with my dad for over 10 years. He insists he needs a car that can take him hundreds of miles into the wilderness for camping. I ask whether he&#x27;s ever done that. He says no, but he intends to.<p>He&#x27;s 84.<p>EV manufacturers should offer the 500-mile-range vehicle, but as an option. Pay $X for a car with 250 miles range, and an extra $20,000 for another 250 miles range. Most people will look at that price difference and conclude that their need to drive 8 hours without a pee break is and always will be aspirational.
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vsskanth大约 2 年前
Yeah, this entire article has a single mention of &quot;charging infrastructure&quot;, and even that&#x27;s a passing reference. This doesn&#x27;t address all the arguments against an EV. The fact of the matter is, if I don&#x27;t have a Tesla and rent my apartment, I won&#x27;t be able to reliably charge this vehicle. Even for someone with a house, long trips face unreliable charging infrastructure.<p>It&#x27;s gonna take a few more years
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jmclnx大约 2 年前
For warm climates in urban areas, I can agree, but here are things never fully covered anywhere:<p>1. Heat in the winter, this will reduce you range, some just a little, but in places like Minnesota in Feb, a lot.<p>2. Stuck in traffic. If you are stuck in grid lock, that will cut in range, there have been cases were gridlock could last hours. Granted maybe EV stop power usage in this case. But under very hot or cold weather, you will lose AC and Heat. So if you have health concerns, TFB.<p>3. Battery recycling and disposal. Once EVs become common, I can see people being charged disposal costs for old batteries. In this case, I can see old batteries being tossed out backyards in rural. Anyone remember piles of tires sitting in people&#x27;s yards 40+ years ago ?<p>4. Old EVs may need battery replacement, I can see this being very expensive for poor people<p>To me, better off moving to very good public transportation. Up until say the 1960s, people would travel via buses and trains, even for long distance. Now that is impossible. My Aunt (90+ years old) would take a train from a very rural town to the local small city on weekends for dancing and things like that in her teens&#x2F;20s. That town no longer has public transportation anywhere even though its population is 30x times the size now. Time to bring that back everywhere.<p>For a somewhat decent system (to not as good as 70 years ago), see NY State Train routes. People still use that to get to NYC from rather long distances.
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justinator大约 2 年前
They didn&#x27;t touch upon tire&#x2F;rubber particulate pollution being worse for EVs.
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ZeroGravitas大约 2 年前
&gt; Nor are those worries solely the province of cranks and ideologues — Simon Michaux of the Finnish Geological Survey has actually done extensive research<p>On the contrary, Michaux tripped a few of my crank alarms, mention of EROEI being one of them.
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sebow大约 2 年前
Here&#x27;s the biggest and most important reason (besides the obvious ones like grids, energy, etc.): most people &gt;cannot&lt; afford an EV compared to say, a SH good(and often better) vehicle. EVs are not even competitive to their equivalent fossil-based cars that are new.<p>Idealists should often take their heads out of their asses and understand most people don&#x27;t have their privilege, ironically the most privileged ones screech about privilege while ignoring their own. Go ahead and tell developing countries to switch to EV-only, setting them back at least 10 years in terms of industry and economic growth.
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gnicholas大约 2 年前
I only skimmed it but didn’t see any mention of the argument that our electrical grid is not reliable and resilient enough to support a massive uptick of EVs.<p>At least in CA, where the power company likes to preemptively turn off power so that fires don’t start, that’s a big concern for families with only one car, or considering replacing their second car with an EV.
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ZeroGravitas大约 2 年前
I get security errors in a couple of browsers, is it just me?:<p>&gt; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.noahpinion.blog&#x2F;p&#x2F;all-the-arguments-against-evs-are" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.noahpinion.blog&#x2F;p&#x2F;all-the-arguments-against-evs-...</a> has a security policy called HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS), which means that Firefox Nightly can only connect to it securely. You can’t add an exception to visit this site.
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funnymony大约 2 年前
Lets say EV cut co2 emissions by factor of 100x for each km traveled.<p>Lets say number of cars in total follows exponential progression, 5% growth per year.<p>It follows that after 100 years due to growth co2 gets back to original level. (Log100&#x2F;log1.05=94)<p>EVs are required bandaid, but degrowth will come eventually. (Possibly due to climate change supply will decrease and so will consumption)
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charcircuit大约 2 年前
How about on this one:<p>Gasoline has a higher energy density than lithium ion batteries meaning that you will have less weight to carry around giving you a more nimble vehicle. It also lets you accelerate faster from the same engine torque since you have to accelerate less mass. With electric vehicles you have to carry a battery for you entire range and it is not easy to swap out.
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Lammy大约 2 年前
I just don&#x27;t want one, and my likes and desires are not up for debate and can&#x27;t be &quot;&quot;&quot;wrong&quot;&quot;&quot; lol
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