Why KDE Plasma was chosen as the default desktop environment for Asahi Linux

146 点作者 jlpcsl将近 2 年前

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wkat4242将近 2 年前

KDE is so great <3. It's everything Mac and Windows should have been. I also donate to it monthly because I feel it's software really worth paying for.On the contrary, I despise Gnome 3. Gnome 2 wasn't bad but in 3 everything rubs me the wrong way. It's like they went out of their way to design something that wouldn't suit me :) The mimimalism, the thick "touch-style" window decorations, the "always an extra click" hamburger menus. The "You're holding it wrong" attitude. Basically all the issues that come with Apple-style opinionated design. And mentioned in the source article too. Nevertheless I'm glad other people do like it. That's the good thing about FOSS, there's something for everyone.I had the same feeling about recent macOS versions so I'm really happy I moved to KDE (on FreeBSD). Having choice and configurability again is amazing.This is really the power of FOSS and calls for a unified desktop would seriously undermine that. One size does not fit all.

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p4bl0将近 2 年前

I can totally vouch for the "the developers care, answer questions, and actually accept PRs" aspect. I had some time last summer and decided to spend it on Kate (KDE advanced text editor) and the experience was great! I had never approached KDE or Qt development before, and never even done actual C++ development (just some small course exercises). The devs were great at coaching on their IRC channel and in the GitLab issues.The maintainer even made a blogspot at some point to explain my contributions: <a href="https://kate-editor.org/post/2022/2022-08-24-kate-new-features-august-2022/" rel="nofollow">https://kate-editor.org/post/2022/2022-08-24-kate-new-featur...</a>Globally KDE is a fantastic experience, whether from a user's or a developer's perspective.

sho_hn将近 2 年前

There's an interesting pattern where particularly device applications that don't use one of the "big distros" end up picking KDE Plasma over the alternatives, e.g.- Steam Deck: Desktop mode is KDE Plasma- PinePhone and PinePhone Pro: KDE Plasma Mobile- Asahi: KDE PlasmaOne may speculate what distros would do if it wasn't for inertia and compatibility.

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rektide将近 2 年前

> Meanwhile on GNOME the situation is you can't control the keyboard brightness out of the box, because they decided all laptops with a keyboard backlight must surely have dedicated keys for that purpose and therefore there's no need for a slider nor configurable keybinds and...I wrote then lost a gnome hotkey plugin to help with this, as the desktop display my parents were using had a menu system they hated/couldnt manage to use.It's wild that Gnome has such a narrow lo-fi user as their only target persona, but they probably make a vast amount of their earned income selling to such users.

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lucasyvas将近 2 年前

I have to say that it took until Valve adopted KDE for the Steam Deck for me to really take it seriously - I have just always used a GNOME distro.KDE has pretty ugly default window theming IMO. Like, quite grotesque. But the GNOME project is overall quite preposterous. It's a main-stream-but-hipster GUI environment where their philosophy does not match how any user wants to use it, hence all the (basically) mandatory extensions. Yes, I want window controls and a dock!KDE has way too much customization I think, but at least it has accepted a more sane philosophy. I was thinking of trying the Fedora KDE spin next. I feel that the other shoe has dropped recently - I could honestly see GNOME getting dropped. Cosmic did it and nearly every major distro has a KDE spin.

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ACS_Solver将近 2 年前

I really like KDE and think it's some of the best free software out there, in function and in spirit. I'm glad I stuck with it despite the dark years of KDE 4, which was an absolute disaster and only appeared worse in contrast to the amazing 3.5.I'm not a KDE developer but I greatly appreciate the development process. I've made a few minor changes in KDE and it was very easy to get a development environment set up, and then process for getting those PRs approved was easy.Better yet, that showed me that it's relatively easy to use your own builds of KDE on top of an otherwise complete system. I use Debian as my daily driver but sometimes I want new KDE features that won't hit the Debian repos for a while so I build those KDE components myself and use them. I wouldn't recommend that to new users but it's very viable if you understand how your system works.

jmmv将近 2 年前

I've been out of touch with the Linux distro ecosystem for a while. My current favorite for a desktop environment is Fedora, and it seems like most major distros default to Gnome these days. They may provide KDE, but KDE seems to be a second thought for them (which later shows in how well-integrated other pieces of the system are).So, question: is there any major distro that defaults to KDE these days? I think openSUSE used to... but I can't easily tell if it still does, nor if it is "major".

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heywoodlh将近 2 年前

I am actually a pretty happy GNOME user -- granted, it is due to being able to tweak my experience with GNOME extensions and managing the aspects I care about with dconf settings managed with Home-Manager/Nix.These are the GNOME extensions I find critical to me enjoying the UI:- PopOS' Shell[0] for tiling windows- Just Perfection[1] for making the appearance even more minimal/removing elements I don't useI think if the GNOME team removed extension support altogether, I would absolutely switch to KDE. But for now, I get an extremely minimal desktop, and I really like it.That being said, I typically live in my terminal, so I don't spend much time actually using the tools provided with my desktop environment.(Just want to vocalize that there is at least one person who enjoys GNOME's approach of visually staying out of my way, but giving me a robust backend when I need it)[0] <a href="https://github.com/pop-os/shell">https://github.com/pop-os/shell</a>[1] <a href="https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/3843/just-perfection/" rel="nofollow">https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/3843/just-perfection/</a>

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mazu1将近 2 年前

KDE is by far my favorite computing environment, but its default settings slow its adoption, I believe. For example, the default task switcher is overly complicated, and even worse, in some distributions, an actual extra package has to be installed to just get a useful and basic switcher. I believe, more than anything else, if KDE wants to get more users, it should urgently work to make its default settings less surprising to new users, despite its ability to wow with neat (but not necessarily useful) user interface effects.

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kps将近 2 年前

It would be nice if this led to Qt/KDE exposing the ‘Mac mode’ toggle that makes the GUI key the default for GUI shortcuts. As someone who lives in the terminal and needs control keys left alone, the Windows style drives me nuts. (KDE shortcuts are at least configurable, but it would be nice not to have to do them all one by one.)

kitsunesoba将近 2 年前

While KDE certainly has a lot in its favor (as listed in the post, "batteries included" factor, configurability, dev team responsiveness), I've never been able to make it work for me. Even after pouring hours into customizing it, it still feels "off" somehow, and I don't think I could fix that without getting waist-deep in a custom fork.It would be nice if there were more DEs that shared those positive traits with KDE, but reality isn't so kind.

teunispeters将近 2 年前

I've tried multiple and now stick with KDE for two reasons: 1. it gets out of the way when needing to do something (a lot better than some of the alternatives) - for instance games, 3D tools or the like. 2. It recovers from a restart, often back to normal use. It's nowhere near as consistent as the gold standard (MacOSX) - but it works. Gnome 2 worked - more or less - although the terminal restore was kludgy it still worked. Nothing else since has.Given I need to restart from time to time and restoring my desktop can be somewhere between minutes (if I knew where everything was) and hours (if I have to go through a bunch of files to figure out what all was running)... so yeah. KDE for the win. (among other reasons the intel AX210+ wireless chips are still rather dodgy with suspend/resume on a laptop, so tend to crash hard within an hour of a suspend).

davidy123将近 2 年前

I tried KDE a few times over the years, but it always felt a bit off. However, six months ago I tried it again, and really like it. As others say, it has a lot of useful customization. What worries me more is the switch to Wayland, when essential apps like synergy/barrier don't work well there yet.

pshirshov将近 2 年前

With all its ugliness, Plasma is the only environment which works acceptable for multi-head wayland setups with fractional scaling.

plaguepilled将近 2 年前

Adding to the pile of "KDE have been great to work with". Community is friendly and professional. Answers usually work. Lots of attention on user experience and stability.

ACV001将近 2 年前

KDE is indeed very good. I tried adopting it in the past multiple times then reverting, but with the latest version is so much better than the others.

npteljes将近 2 年前

KDE is indeed a nice suite of software. I used it on my workstation for the last several years, and I'm using it now on my gaming PC as well. It seems to have more features than the other DEs I have tried, yet it's fast and stable, and it also feels reasonably modern and beautiful.

dvh将近 2 年前

I personally don't like DE (desktop environments). I don't want my PC to be doing something or managing something on my desktop besides switching and moving/resizing windows. WM (window managers) are smaller, faster, less brittle and don't require grand visionary changes every 2 years.

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winrid将近 2 年前

I found it interesting when I checked Gnome and KDE orgs on github that by far most KDE repos are C++ and most Gnome repos are C (some Vala).It's neat to see how this tends to affect the quality of the software.

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magicalhippo将近 2 年前

I've been running KDE Neon on a NUC for years as a secondary desktop PC, and it's pretty great overall. It's customizable, performance is good and it looks nice.The only things I really miss are deeper issues, like non-existing to terrible SMB support and lack of decent remote desktop solution (I've tried all the options, they're all functional at best).With Proton having solved the gaming issue, I'm sure I would have loved switching my primary box over to Linux with KDE if it were not for those two remaining thorns.

albertopv将近 2 年前

"But also, I've had very positive experiences interacting with the KDE community. Bugs get fixed, the developers care, I can send out PRs and they get merged."I'm not an OSS dev, isn't so with Gnome community?

shmerl将近 2 年前

KDE is highly recommended.