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The proto-fascism of Elon Musk

77 点作者 jlpcsl将近 2 年前

12 条评论

gambiting将近 2 年前
Musk has fallen off the rails completely in recent years. I guess being constantly told that you are the smartest man alive over and over does that to a man. He is genuienly embracing some fascist ideas lately though, and that's worrying because he is a global celebrity with a huge following, not some drunkard in a pub that no one listens to.
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areoform将近 2 年前
I&#x27;d like people to remember another quote, this one from Voltaire;<p><pre><code> &gt; You believe things that are incomprehensible, inconsistent, impossible because we have commanded you to believe them; go then and do what is injust because we command it. Such people show admirable reasoning. Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. If the God‐ given understanding of your mind does not resist a demand to believe what is impossible, then you will not resist a demand to do wrong to that God‐ given sense of justice in your heart. As soon as one faculty of your soul has been dominated, other faculties will follow as well. And from this derives all those crimes which have overrun the world. </code></pre> It&#x27;s why I genuinely believing in rancid conspiracy theories is dangerous. It&#x27;s the prelude for what comes next. People start out at conspiracies hating some sub-group. They end up at the &quot;Jewish question,&quot; or their cultural equivalent.<p>Reason and reason alone is what protects us from the insanity that has plagued humanity since the dawn of time.
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roenxi将近 2 年前
I don&#x27;t mind people calling Musk names, but I dislike this because there is no sense of proportion. Musk isn&#x27;t a unique evil, or even an unusual evil. Anyone wealthy enough to own their own PR firm deserves the same level of scepticism. The more power someone has, the more they do, the easier it is to write an article being nasty about them. The solution isn&#x27;t to focus on Musk, it is to preserve systems that distribute power and reduces the damage any one person can do.<p>But it is common to learn the wrong lesson, and respond to Musk by trying to create an even more powerful body (usually in the government) to &quot;protect&quot; people - which then doesn&#x27;t protect anyone when the situation is analysed holistically and usually has a raft of second order effects that kills off any real chance for the situation to improve.
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ly3xqhl8g9将近 2 年前
The article quotes Sartre: &quot;Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies&quot;. Slavoj Žižek&#x27;s point is better however: even if all the things anti-Semites say are true (Jews control the banks, the movies, whatever), the anti-Semitic fixation is still pathological: they need this fixation in order to assert their own identity [1].<p>[1] Žižek repeats this point across interviews, as he often does, most recently, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=zrkVoPljJiM">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=zrkVoPljJiM</a>
orwin将近 2 年前
The author is right on at least one point, we do not really have fascism in the west right now, it&#x27;s only protofascism. Even the Italian &#x27;postfascism&#x27; is in fact proto-fascism.<p>Its quite easy to notice if you read enough political books of the early 20th century, and compare them to current day nationalists&#x2F;supremacists.<p>They don&#x27;t have finished ideas. They don&#x27;t have much ideas at all to be honest. It&#x27;s mostly stupidity without a plan or vision. Their books (not a lot of them tbh) are either plain and dumb rehash of 1930s books, or interesting rehash of 1890s ideas (hello Renaud Camus, if you want, I know other books you can leech of, send me a message!).<p>I think they&#x27;re just a tool to get political power.
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latchkey将近 2 年前
This post on Reddit always comes to mind when I think about Musk and what his wealth brings him.<p>&quot;What do insanely wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about?&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;AskReddit&#x2F;comments&#x2F;2s9u0s&#x2F;comment&#x2F;cnnmca8&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;AskReddit&#x2F;comments&#x2F;2s9u0s&#x2F;comment&#x2F;c...</a>
DemocracyFTW2将近 2 年前
Voting to un-flag this one.
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mvellandi将近 2 年前
The more interesting conversation is about outspoken individuals with wealth, sustaining power, massive communication reach, and what ethical behavior responsibilities they have.
jruohonen将近 2 年前
&quot;Bellingcat is hated by the far left and far right.&quot;<p>Note that this claim mostly applies to the US and its loonies.
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joduplessis将近 2 年前
Personally, I admire Musk for just getting out there and doing shit. Yes - he has a lot of money, but every other stupid-mega-rich person also has a lot of money. What I don&#x27;t get, like with this article, is this weird obsession a lot of people seem to have with him - either thinking he is the messiah or a super villain.
davidguetta将近 2 年前
Was not the point of musk that there was no actual proof he was a nazi &#x2F; white supremacy at that time and that a single report form a source which is extremely left wing to take with a grain of salt ?<p>In some way I&#x27;ve always found it made no sense to take pathological people such as lone shooters, or even ISIS&#x2F;&quot;islamic&quot; terror attack in europe and trying to make political analysis from this. It just doesn&#x27;t make sense to me and I feel that people who do it are kinda manipulating events to advance their agenda or generation media attention. &quot;Another crazy person shoot some people&quot; is sure less catchy but maybe more true ?<p>Not trying to defend musk, I&#x27;m 100% out of the loop and didn&#x27;t even read his tweets, only trying to find another explanation that &quot;he&#x27;s a fascist&quot; or &quot;he&#x27;s dumb&quot;
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drcongo将近 2 年前
Shame this has been flagged. I wonder what kind of person would flag this.
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