I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

I don't care about apps using my Facebook data (what little there is). I don't trust Facebook not to use data from/about apps that I use. That's why I would never use my Facebook ID to log in to anything.<p>Actually I can come up with a better summary: I don't trust Facebook

Before blaming the 50% drop-off on Facebook, you should measure the drop-off of the ID/password approach and compare the two. I would expect the drop-off for any login method to be relatively high on mobile apps. Anyone has data they can share?

Actual Headline: "Tiny Review and the Perils of Facebook Login"<p>Realistic Headline: "Tiny Review and the Perils of only offering Facebook Login"

What always shocks me is that <i>if you have a traditional sign-in method, people will be more likely to Facebook Auth</i>. Well, that's been the case for me. People enjoy the ease of logging in with Facebook, but are weary of its repercussions.<p>Also, I would love to see more sites that Facebook Auth to just asking for e-mail address permission and that's it. Just simply as a log-in tool..

Are there any over all stats as to how the general public feel about all this?<p>Its cool that all us techie types knowing all about these issues, but does the average mug user know, or know enough to care? Most of the "normal" people I know don't even consider this sort of stuff, they just go along with it. "Yeah, whatever", seems to be the usual response. You can see them glaze over and mentally shut down if I dare try to explain it. That sort of go in to "conspiracy nut" mode.

I'm currently building a social media news aggregation site, and was considering the merits of using a Facebook/Twitter only login/comment services. Do you believe most potential users would be opposed to this? If using these services we would be very clear about privacy issues and options,giving our users the option of restricting their activities to our network, and not sharing the information with facebook/twitter if the user would choose not to. Also in our service agreement and in practice we would restrict our use of our users information to strictly what they share with us, not datamining them, which in my opinion violates peoples privacy. There is a lot of upside in my opinion with using the Facebook/twitter login. They are the 2 dominant social media platforms, in which our potential users are bound to have their strongest ties. If they choose to share their activities on our site with their social media network of choice, it would be their way of advertising a service they are using (and presumably enjoying if they are participating on the site), which would help our service attract users. Would appreciate any feedback and advice, especially pointing out where im wrong :)

There is something sleazy about Facebook that extends beyond privacy failures. I don't like the idea of blending a new community I'm about to join with the filth on my Facebook friends list. I think this mostly applies to younger people who ended up adding everyone they knew through high school: my Facebook friends are mostly just an accumulation of people I don't really care about.<p>If I wanted to join a network separate from Facebook, why would I want that network to have access to my Facebook?<p>I use Spotify and Songkick reluctantly only because they are great services. Facebook is a great way to get your name out there, but I'd rather fill out a few text fields than have a service I want to use depend on Facebook.<p>People join new networks to get away from Facebook, not extend it into every sector of their lives.

What gets me is it's 2012 and we <i>still</i> have to keep solving account management over and over. It's a big bucket of word dealing with multiple signup methods, resetting passwords, profile pictures, etc.<p>I wish there were an open source project that unified best practices (in various tech stacks).

I have found a compromise that works well for me when I'm asked to login with facebook. I have created an account that exists solely for situations like this. That way I can use whatever site or app I want and its not connected to me.

1. I think the on-boarding process to an app is probably more crucial the app itself. This is purely anecdotal, but as an early adopter whenever I go through the trouble of downloading an app which greets me with “Create An Account”, I'm almost always immediately turned off. In some cases I've just excited the app and hit un-install. The last thing I need is another account, with a service I may not use for more than 15mins.<p>I think the best process is to give users a feel for your product without an account being necessary. Maybe it's just in READ mode with the ability to WRITE enabled upon signup. Or just simply ask for an email address which is then used as a unique identifier for your account. Oink did this awhile back.<p>2. I think the Facebook hate is miss-placed. Do you really hate Facebook (provider of a tool) or those who spam you via Facebook (users of the tool)? If you're so worried about Facebook tracking you offsite, why have an account at all? They're in the business of collecting, optimizing, and monetizing the social graph. If their platform has more 'cons' than 'pros' I think you should ditch it and keep your tin foil hat on. I myself use it, with my tin foil hat on, but don't go through the hoops to block it as some of you are doing.

There are no doubt a lot of users like me: I don't have a Facebook account, and I will _never_ have a Facebook account. The result of my personal policy and utter dislike of Facebook is that as soon as I see a Facebook login popup on a new app, I immediately close the tab. Then again, perhaps you don't want customers like me!

We had the same exact experience with out app. It was Facebook login only, and we got a 50% drop in conversion, bad app store reviews, and some of the people who tried to login couldn't because Facebook login either didn't work or was really slow.

I never register a facebook account and there's no way I will regsiter to facebook just to use an app even if its <i>the</i> killer app.<p>I trust facebook for snooping in on the data provided by 3rd party apps, they've been doing all the dirty tricks of the book since they started.<p>why no facebook account for me ? because it was obvious from the beginning where facebook was heading with a business rooted in linking real world identities and online activities. They are basically building a closed facebooknet to compete with the open web and internet. There's no way I would be part or support a closed and proprietary internet.

The funny thing is that they've basically admitted that they didn't want to take the time to build a community system capable of dealing with anonymous users or users identified only by some number. The problem with these featureless micro-apps is that you have 20 different tools which cost you little to nothing but are garbage. Either abandon the idea of one-feature apps and incorporate your functionality in a not-quite-as-slick general platform, or double down and make your app work with anonymity.

Hmm good points. Also, what if you create an account with Facebook, and then later decide to deactivate your Facebook, what happens to that account you just created?

I would too. I've not been on Facebook since 2007 and it annoys me to see a growing number of web-sites/apps using FB for login. (Same complaint for twitter)

Main problem with Facebook only login is that the 5% that care wi rate your app one star until they cows come home.

I usually use a fake Facebook account (with a couple of other fake friends) first. And only after I see how the app is behaving and if I see a real benefit to give access to my real friends, I might consider logging in with my real name and Facebook account.

Here's a proposal: use your email address. Period. No password. Take your average bulletin board--you're probably not going to use your email address as your nym anyway. Even if you do, what do you lose if someone impersonates you?

I'd be happy to log in with Facebook, but every single time I've tried to do it, Facebook informs me that the application wants to help itself to my contacts, my wall etc etc etc. Now I don't bother.

Create a fake, empty Facebook account, use it everywhere to log in.<p>Problem solved.

&#62; nurture a community of real, authentic users.<p>This is utter BS and the author knows it. The last people you want to fill the role of early adopter are the people of Facebook. Nurture, foster, incubate. That's lazy business people speak for not actually doing any work of note and spending more time networking and that all-consuming fundraising so they can actually hire someone to do the work for them and pay them squat. You know, living the dream that made them go to B-school in the first place.<p>Facebook-only? That's what lazy people do.

What you don't see is that Bear Grylls travels with 5 support vehicles and a helicopter and spends his nights in a hotel. I'd be <i>very</i> surprised if he was actually drinking piss on camera, his whole schtick is fake.