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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

588 点作者 VagueMag将近 2 年前

24 条评论

joshspankit将近 2 年前
Is it just me, or are these numbers almost low enough to be labelled positive PR?<p>&gt; The Tesla files contain more than 2,400 self-acceleration complaints and more than 1,500 braking function problems, including 139 cases of unintentional emergency braking and 383 reported phantom stops resulting from false collision warnings. The number of crashes is more than 1000. A table of incidents involving driver assistance systems where customers have expressed safety concerns has more than 3000 entries.<p>Out of <i>millions</i> of cars? And for the entire time Tesla’s been making cars?<p>I’ve watched YouTube videos of a SF Tesla driver who submits one or two reports every video (autopilot wasn’t aggressive enough, or failed to navigate a complicated turn, etc). Are each of those counted in the 3000 safety concerns?<p>I can’t even fathom any other car manufacturer having lower numbers.
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zizee将近 2 年前
How different is this from any other similar sized companies behaviour?<p>This site doesn&#x27;t seem that impartial&#x2F;unbiased. From a linked article on Tesla:<p>&gt; It’s also worth noting that the above email was sent after 2 a.m. Pacific, which isn’t specifically relevant to the faked video. But it does make it look like Musk is a loser with no friends or anything else to do other than work. Loser.
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botanical将近 2 年前
&gt; How did the company deal with complaints? The Tesla files also provide information about this. The files show that employees have precise guidelines for communicating with customers. The top priority is obviously: offer as little attack surface as possible.<p>For each incident there are bullet points for the “technical review”. The employees who enter this review into the system regularly make it clear that the report is “for internal use only”. Each entry also contains a note in bold type that information, if at all, may only be passed on “VERBALLY to the customer”.<p>“Do not copy and paste the report below into an email, text message, or leave it in a voicemail to the customer,” it said. Vehicle data should also not be released without permission. If, despite the advice, “an involvement of a lawyer cannot be prevented”, this must be recorded.<p>Customers that Handelsblatt spoke to have the impression that Tesla employees avoid written communication. “They never sent emails, everything was always verbal,” says the doctor from California, whose Tesla said it accelerated on its own in the fall of 2021 and crashed into two concrete pillars.
belter将近 2 年前
&quot;Is your data also in the Tesla files?&quot; (German ) - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.handelsblatt.com&#x2F;unternehmen&#x2F;industrie&#x2F;leseraufruf-sind-auch-ihre-daten-in-den-tesla-files-melden-sie-sich-bei-der-redaktion&#x2F;29135340.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.handelsblatt.com&#x2F;unternehmen&#x2F;industrie&#x2F;leseraufr...</a>
bks将近 2 年前
Its my understanding that the vendor that they were buying LIDAR from was either slow paid or never paid - and then cut them off. This is when LIDAR became less important in their marketing spin and they said that they do not need it.
chaxor将近 2 年前
I didn&#x27;t see the actual data or a link or anything to how to get it, but why on earth would it be 100GB? That seems fairly large if it&#x27;s just tallying accidents and such.
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abirch将近 2 年前
Unfortunate thing for Tesla is we have the Affective Fallacy where if we like Tesla we overweight its benefits and underweight its errors.
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usr1106将近 2 年前
German news site is a bit misleading. Handelsblatt is the leading business newspaper in Germany. And according to the article they made significant journalist effort to confirm the authenticity of the information.
todd8将近 2 年前
Tesla seems to be making progress on full self driving, but real self driving (cars without steering wheels) still seems quite distant. How will such a car respond to road workers redirecting traffic? How many times have you had to talk to someone outside of your car to obtain instructions on how to get around some obstacle, like a moving truck. I don&#x27;t do such things every day or even every month, but there are occasions where it is necessary to take unmarked detours.<p>How would a self driving car get through heavy fog or snow covered roads when there are only very difficult to decipher hints to the road edges?<p>How will self-driving cars deal with humans that can perfectly predict their actions? I believe that bad drivers will take advantage of self-driving cars by cutting them off and failing to yield when they should.<p>Because human drivers have a sense of self preservation we can break the rules when we are about to be car-jacked or see an impending collision coming. Imagine how easy it is to obstruct a self-driving car for nefarious reasons.<p>I&#x27;m confident that, eventually, self-driving cars will address all of these issues to some degree, and that will mark a turning point where it is better to leave driving to the cars than average drivers. However, this doesn&#x27;t mean I&#x27;m going to put my $100K car into a taxi pool to be used by (sometimes drunk) strangers; I don&#x27;t buy the argument that the cost of buying such a car will pay for itself.
jasonlfunk将近 2 年前
When does a thief become a whistleblower?<p>It seems to me that something really dangerous or illegal needs to be going on to morally justify publicly releasing a 100GB worth of (presumably unfiltered) private company data.
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adultSwim将近 2 年前
Source article text, Handelsblatt: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pastebin.com&#x2F;S49ttUqf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pastebin.com&#x2F;S49ttUqf</a>
vxNsr将近 2 年前
And this the real risk of alienating a group, they’ll retaliate when they no longer feel aligned with you. Even if they’ll work for you, they won’t have the same allegiance&#x2F;loyalty they had before.
RickJWagner将近 2 年前
Jalopnik has been very negative in Tesla articles for several months now. (I read auto news all the time, I love cars.)<p>I wonder if they&#x27;re acting on behalf of another auto manufacturer.
0xedd将近 2 年前
3k complaints for 3 million cars? &quot;Only verbal&quot; (common practice)?<p>Sounds like click bait more than anything.
Randomizer42将近 2 年前
Garbage technology by a company with bunions backers.
diebeforei485将近 2 年前
Can someone link to the source article? It is paywalled
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Randomizer42将近 2 年前
Horrible company, with a miserable CEO.
buildbot将近 2 年前
I avoid driving anywhere near Tesla’s, especially tailing them. Phantom braking is not okay.
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agnosticmantis将近 2 年前
The conman has already moved on from FSD to humanoid robots that can currently spread their legs with the help of 2 other people holding the robot. It’ll keep the hype up for another decade or so, and by that time there’ll be another wave he’ll masterfully ride on.<p>Thunderf00t points to an interesting interview of karpathy where he says (truthfully) that when he joined Tesla, the cars couldn’t even follow the lines or something, yet at the same time the scam king was promising coast to coast self-driven rides. See timestamp 16:48 of the video below:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=grefAhSvcvc&amp;t=16m48s">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=grefAhSvcvc&amp;t=16m48s</a><p>P.S. no offense to the excellent employees of Tesla who’ve achieved tremendous things, including the driver assist system. But the scammy claims of the conman in chief straddling the border of fraud and and futurism unfortunately overshadows these legitimate achievements.
jyscao将近 2 年前
IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving.<p>I get that they&#x27;re trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.
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advael将近 2 年前
Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss<p>The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it&#x27;s right out of both Musk&#x27;s normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal<p>For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: &quot;I am trusting my life to this device by using it. I must trust that it will not malfunction&quot;. We are in an era where cars have computer overrides, so that standard needs to be applied to the security and reliability of the computer inside. We are also in an era where computers sold by corporate robber-barons (IE most major corporations) will routinely not merely malfunction, but explicitly, intentionally betray the interests of their end-users for increasingly marginal gains for the company<p>Even if you trust the company that sold your car&#x27;s computer, do you trust their security? All their employees? When we are putting computers in devices, like cars, where them operating as expected is life-or-death, those computers need to be auditable by independent experts and controllable by the end-user. To be clear, that unambiguously refers to the person or persons trusting - with their lives - that car operating safely and responding to their commands. We need to mandate open-source, user-owned computers in devices this dangerous, period.
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RomanPushkin将近 2 年前
That&#x27;s why I use Lyft instead of Uber. In SFBay it&#x27;s often Tesla because of their business relationship, and I don&#x27;t like it.
99_00将近 2 年前
&gt;found a disturbing trend of brushing off customers complaining about dangerous Autopilot glitches while covering the company’s ass.<p>The article doesn&#x27;t present any evidence or argument to support it&#x27;s own thesis.<p>Everything in it sounds like my experience dealing with any corperation.
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RoyGBivCap将近 2 年前
so?<p>They Musk open sourced tesla patents 9 years ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;en_GB&#x2F;blog&#x2F;all-our-patent-are-belong-you" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;en_GB&#x2F;blog&#x2F;all-our-patent-are-belong-y...</a>
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