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Why the NFL bans iPads (and other technology)

111 点作者 ericelias大约 13 年前

25 条评论

Anechoic大约 13 年前
This is similar to a discussion we had a couple of months ago: <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3364467" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3364467</a><p>I'll repeat my response from that thread: it's not so much about in-game computations (as many posters already observed, coaches and staff already to a lot of the statistical calculations the author describes, it's just all written on paper and wristbands), it's about gambling, specifically making sure that all viewers get the same information at the same time so that particular gamblers aren't advantaged/disadvantaged. Otherwise you have situations where players may be inadvertently tweeting/messaging injury information or game strategies. That's all.
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waterside81大约 13 年前
I think many coaches already do this, however their predictive results are written on paper and carried around in their binders by assistants. Every coach has a list of scenarios when going for a 2pt convert is advisable, when going for 4th down is advisable, as well as dividing plays up according to yardage &#38; scenario.<p>Additionally, the amount of film that is analyzed prior to each game, as well as the amount of free-agency these days means players are so familiar with one another and opposing team's play books, that the technology already exists - in their brains.<p>Maybe it's the football purist in me, but I really don't think iPads would add much. In the NHL, the Maple Leafs have an iPad or two on the bench during the game (the NHL has no restrictions) and they stink.
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jerf大约 13 年前
Whether or not this is true in <i>every detail</i>, I think the point that it is <i>essentially</i> true is undeniable. And there isn't anything objectively wrong with it, it's just not what we want to watch. Heck, I'm a computer programmer and it's not what I want to watch. If I want to see algorithms running against each other I've got all kinds of other places I can do that.<p>Let's leave the humans something.
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philwelch大约 13 年前
If you watch enough football, you get to see that playcalling isn't everything. You can call a winning game and the receivers will still drop passes or the linebackers will still make poor tackles or the quarterback will still overthrow the receiver.
vacri大约 13 年前
Play selection is part of the game, and picking the right play under stress is a fundamental part of the game. Palming this off to machine computation is taking a fundamental part of the game and tossing it out. If you throw in runtime updates, it becomes even less about the guys on the field on the day, and even more about which franchise can afford the best statisticians.<p>I'm against just plugging tech into games simply because it's there, particularly if that tech is not available to all comers.
yardie大约 13 年前
Instead of getting too far ahead of ourselves (battling AIs, hightech helmet visors, etc.) maybe it's a more mundane reason, they are afraid of having their playbooks hacked. A physical paper binder goes missing and people notice. Someone gains a backdoor into your iPad and it might not ever be reported. Or as Anechoic describes it, they don't want information leaked before it goes on air.<p>Humans still play football. They are free to change the play during the snap (which is what audibles are for) and even invent new ones on the field. I've never had a chess piece or even a Starcraft trooper decide to just get up and walk in a different direction. It took a roomful of supercomputer to defeat 1 human in a chessmatch. Imagine what would be required to anticipate the moves of 22 of them.
edderly大约 13 年前
What a load of baloney. This is symptomatic of the believe that management adds overriding value to performance, whereas in practice the best thing they can do is bring the best and/or most cohesive individuals together.<p>An interesting factoid for football is that in nearly fifty years of the NFL a coach has never led a two different teams to a Superbowl win. So why overestimate the value of what can be done on the sidelines?
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breakall大约 13 年前
This story in the WSJ from back in December adds a lot of context to the issue of game time technology in the NFL. <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203893404577100683039518086.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020389340457710...</a><p>As others have commented, it's hard to believe that teams aren't already applying Moneyball-type analytics to the game.
jimmytucson大约 13 年前
I think the use of technology in football (and sports in general) to aid play calling would only enhance the sport. For one thing, it's not as much of an advantage as the author thinks.<p>For example, in the NFL, there's already a wealth of ongoing research attempting to predict play calling using various methods. I just recently read one, published by Journal of Quantitative Analysis in Sports (see here: <a href="http://econpapers.repec.org/article/bpjjqsprt/v_3a7_3ay_3a2011_3ai_3a3_3an_3a2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://econpapers.repec.org/article/bpjjqsprt/v_3a7_3ay_3a20...</a>) that uses a linear discriminant function with cross validation -- bottom line, the success rate was only 40.38% (you can read the abstract).<p>It's an incredibly challenging and fascinating line of research that's grown a lot in recent years. MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference is one notable forum where researchers have given talks on everything from speech analysis to predict quarterback performance, to network analysis explaining Bill Simmons' "Ewing Theory" in basketball, to motion tracking for collecting richer data on player performance.<p>But the other reason I don't think this would have such a "game changing" impact on the NFL is that there are many more elements to leading a team than employing the strategy with the highest expected "point value" in any circumstance. Often, coaches will make the less statistically effective decision purely based on how it will affect their players' psychology. For example, by now most coaches know it's often beneficial to go for it on fourth down -- yet it's still rarely done because in many cases, going for it on fourth down represents a lack of faith in your defense. I can think of more extreme cases but the fourth down issue probably plays out the most in the NFL. It may sound silly but as a coach, you're in charge of rallying your players, who more often than not are less persuaded by artificial neural networks than they are bravado.<p>Practically speaking, it's just not possible to lead a team by calculator, and that's why I think using tools to improve the "analytical side" of coaching will enhance the sport more so than change it into something completely different.
antihero大约 13 年前
I think the point of sport isn't to be perfect, but to be visual, visceral, and exciting. Watching actual dudes running along a pitch with a ball is far more awesome than having a bunch of calculations done and observing the outcome.<p>It's the imperfection that is what is interesting to our brains, we like the analogue, the random, the warm, the fuzzy, the imperfect. Machines are bland in comparison to the rich inconsistency of our organic selves.
donpdonp大约 13 年前
"The NFL has banned the use of certain technologies to be used prior the game. Specifically, iPads cannot be used two hours prior to a regular season game."<p>Cannot be used by who? The coaching staff? The crowd in the stands? The journalists covering the game?
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tragiclos大约 13 年前
If there were a computer algorithm proven to give even a slight advantage in play calling, I'm sure most NFL coaches would jump at the chance to use it. Using game theory and advanced statistics is already all the rage on most (American) football websites. While I'm sure most coaches don't follow such things, enough do that it would soon catch on. And if something successful catches on, NFL coaches have a proven track record of copying it.<p><i>Coaches, players and the like are now no longer needed. Okay, this last portion may be a bit of an exaggeration, but the point is proven, technology would, as in other industries, render the current status quo inept and inefficient. In conclusion, I plan to take the Robotics course from Udacity this month.</i><p>As an avid follower of this sport, I've found that a large part of success as a team is to be found in coaching the fundamentals. Just like in school, a good teacher can make all the difference in terms of outcome, even for a gifted player/student.
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socrates1998大约 13 年前
I am a football coach, and while this article seems logical. I believe there are too many variables, like stock trading. And even if you could write a program to identify all useful variables, coaches will often evaluate themselves for tendencies, and call plays/defenses to go against their tendencies. I have used breakdown software and it is good, but the sample size it often too small. Two or three games is not nearly enough plays/situations to analyze it using algorithms. So, some might say, by the time the post-season comes along, the sample size would be big enough, but that is also not the case. Only the last few games are relevant when breaking down games. By the end of the season, early season games are useless. Also, the team you are playing might not have played a team with a similar sceme to yours, so you have zero sample plays that are useful to you.
dmsinger大约 13 年前
Cheating. New technology = new forms of cheating; and if the league allowed everything on the sidelines, it'd be near impossible for them to keep up with.<p>Predicting plays isn't an issue. Predict all you like. Stealing plays (&#38; the play calls), that's the real worry, as it probably matters most in this sport than any other. Stealing signs in baseball is the only comparison I can think of.<p>The WSJ article linked by breakall mentions it a little, but nowhere do I see the word 'cheat'. I doubt the league would address a question about it seriously anyway as that would imply they don't trust teams' staff (which they shouldn't).
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Yhippa大约 13 年前
I've always wondered what would happen in an extreme situation like the author describes. I can't imagine the type of game that would lead to. I figure at the end of the day it would come down to the human aspect of it: can the team execute their high-probability play vs. the expected high-probability defense?<p>I wonder what kind of race this would lead to in F1? If drivers were replaced by an apparatus that would drive the car and maximum driver assists and all telemetry measurements were allowed to be used would the races be boring or even more exciting?
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dfc大约 13 年前
Can someone help me out with the introduction to the argument?<p><pre><code> "The theory is based on protective reasoning and that the NFL wants to ensure the monopoly is held as a status quo." </code></pre> What is the monopoly that is being held at the status quo?<p><pre><code> Anytime we find that the technology and innovation create a competitive advantage or an advantage that cannot readily be seized by those in power, we see resistance. </code></pre> Who could seize this advantage that is not already in power?
pablasso大约 13 年前
I have a hard time believing they don't already do this. Having computers/iPads banned on the field doesn't avoid outsiders using this and communicating with the coaching staff.
______大约 13 年前
What they should really be afraid of is simulations of football becoming more interesting than recordings of the sport actually being played.<p>People already spend hours and hours playing NFL games... it's only a matter of time that a virtual league with probabilistic players and teams coupled with 'better than real' graphics entices more viewers than the actual sport. Imagine being able to see a great play from any angle, at any time -- the current NFL can't provide that.
kylemaxwell大约 13 年前
I can't believe that some teams haven't already started doing this: hire a data scientist or two and turn them loose with statistics, film, and some assistant coach to help them make sense of the game and its nuances. Apply some machine learning and you'd have a really serious tool to apply in predicting your opponent's play calling.
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firefox大约 13 年前
There's no way to avoid technology, it will catch up to them whether they want it or not. This is the same mentality that Hollywood has up until now and is now catching up to them - as we all know too well.
fluorescentLAMP大约 13 年前
Exactly correct.<p>There is a particular camera feed (called All-22) that monitors all 22 players at the same time. This particular camera feed is only available to teams, not outside data-collection agencies.
phzbOx大约 13 年前
Meh, aren't them in communication all the time with people who watches the game 100km from there? Couldn't they print the papers generated all the weeks before?
smokinjoe大约 13 年前
You could have the entire playbook of the other team and a list of plays they will be running, but it's moot if your players can't execute.
pkulak大约 13 年前
In other news, chess players are not allowed to use iPads either while playing. The chess association must hate technology!
NewUName大约 13 年前
Nice conspiracy theory, but it ignores one extremely important point: Football is a <i>sport</i>, not a technological arms race. They won't allow iPads and LCD visors for the same reason they won't allow jetpacks and rocket shoes: it wouldn't be a <i>sport</i> anymore.<p>Not to mention the fact that iPads don't have the power to analyze such large volumes of information in a useful time frame anyway. Getting all that info through an iPad would require communication with some outside computing power, which they could accomplish with their headsets already if it were allowed.
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