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How to Stare at Your Phone Without Losing Your Soul

325 点作者 memorable将近 2 年前

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divan将近 2 年前
The problem is that internet is both a library and a public place. You need library for information and for work, and internet delivers here better than anything else - almost any information is available instantly. But unlike library with silence and no distractions you&#x27;re at the same time in the middle of the giant public square, where all the people from your social circle also available instantly.<p>It&#x27;s like studying in the middle of the giant party. Of course you can plug in noise cancellation headphones and find dark corner, but you brain knows that all people you care about are right here.<p>If you want to share some thoughts or check on someone in the library you have no choice – you can&#x27;t talk to them, or have to go outside. But internet removes this constraint.<p>I really believe this social aspect of reachability of people (friends, haters or some people on internet you follow) is crucial. It&#x27;s not about apps or a screen time, it&#x27;s about social connection (even ephemeral) that gives this gratification and makes our brains summoning the apps.
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nobrains将近 2 年前
But its more than that.<p>I might visit Reddit and Hacker News, not because the app summoned me via notifications, but because my brain summoned the app, after just a 15 minute hiatus.<p>The issue is that browser and certain apps are available to me on the phone instantly.<p>And there are no good controls to help me me MINDFUL.<p>What I want from the phone (I use an iPhone): - Upon every unlock, or upon every app open, I should receive a popup asking me why I want to use the app&#x2F;phone. - I can enter whatever I want in that popup, but that writing exercise of a few words will help me realize if I am making a mistake of using the crack-gadget too often. - I should be able to white-list apps. - I should be able to see my logs all in one place for later review and reflection.
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nologic01将近 2 年前
Its not the phone. Its the screen. It could have been in any form factor - it <i>was</i> in another, less usable, form factor. The portability just clinched it for billions and made the issue of the screen more pressing than ever.<p>The screen is the window to the matrix, our collective digital space.<p>That matrix is something incredibly powerful. We have not tamed it. We don&#x27;t even have a theory of taming it. A psychological, political, economic framework that does not drift into toxic, rapacious abominations.<p>We need to learn to live this dual existence as individuals.<p>We need to learn to build sane digital communities.<p>Admitting we have a really serious problem is the first step.
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sudhirkhanger将近 2 年前
I am able to focus on work but even when I am super busy with work I will spend a lot of time on mobile. So it doesn&#x27;t interfere with work but does interfere with health and overall well-being.<p>I have removed all social media apps from my device including Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. I don&#x27;t use media streaming apps on mobile like YouTube.<p>I do spend a lot of time reading on mobile that is helpful but it does train my focus to constantly context switch and reduces my ability to focus for non-appealing tasks for a long period like reading books.<p>Only thing that has helps is putting the device away but banking apps, TOTP, etc. makes it difficult.<p>But I have unsuccessfully tried DND, gray screen, etc.<p>There is research that reducing mobile usage by an hour a day improves wellbeing. But I don&#x27;t know how to tackle this situation in a sustainable manner.
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ygouzerh将近 2 年前
That&#x27;s so true. I love Youtube for its music, documentaries and software engineering content.<p>But I hate the Shorts features, if I click on only one video, it sucks all my night.<p>I built a small app for blocking the Shorts features, in this way I can enjoy the advantages without having the bad sides.
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teekert将近 2 年前
Is miss this insight from the iOS screentime feature: The thing often reports: More time spend than last week, average 2.5 hours a day.<p>Yeah that&#x27;s fine, but if half is Apple Maps because I had to drive somewhere far away, this result is meaningless.<p>I indeed also just want to know how much time I spend in soul sucking apps. Or rather, in soul sucking websites because I feel that using websites for ie reddit are what always keeps me there for a short time before annoyance allows me to quit (thank you reddit).
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2OEH8eoCRo0将近 2 年前
When I&#x27;m home my cellphone becomes a &quot;home phone&quot; and is put on the charger in the bedroom where I don&#x27;t touch it. My average screen on time is single digit minutes for the day.<p>I screw around here and on other sites more but I can tackle that next.
eesmith将近 2 年前
&gt; AA meetings don’t give out badges to members who drink for less than 2 hours per day.<p>I don&#x27;t agree with that analogy. To use a different analogy, people don&#x27;t join Weight Watchers because they want to quit eating.<p>Also, from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Alcoholics_Anonymous#Criticism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Alcoholics_Anonymous#Criticism</a> :<p>] Stanton Peele argued that some AA groups apply the disease model to all problem drinkers, whether or not they are &quot;full-blown&quot; alcoholics.[132] Along with Nancy Shute, Peele has advocated that besides AA, other options should be readily available to those problem drinkers who can manage their drinking with the right treatment.
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AnIdiotOnTheNet将近 2 年前
A few weeks ago I made an effort to connect more with local reality and less with the internet and its mountain of suck. To that end I removed all social media apps from my phone (I only had one), and disabled the news feed, search, and browser. I still have all the features I find actually useful, like weather, maps, alarms, calendar, etc.<p>The first few times you mindlessly look at your phone after doing something like that are a real eye opener. You pull it out, unlock it, and stare at a screen full of nothing and ask yourself why you took it out in the first place.<p>My mood has improved significantly, and I find I suddenly have time for all those things I&#x27;ve wanted to get done but &quot;haven&#x27;t had the time for&quot;. Without a mindless dopamine trickle to default to I am forced to engage in actually meaningful and satisfying activity most of the time to alleviate boredom.<p>Do not kid yourself that the behaviors these things induce aren&#x27;t intended. Marketers don&#x27;t care about your quality of life, or the health of society itself, they just want your money and they will manipulate you into doom scrolling a bunch of barely interesting bullshit in order to shove ads down your throat without a second thought.
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davidkuennen将近 2 年前
I would&#x27;ve agreed some time ago.<p>Today I think it&#x27;s okay to not optimize everything for efficiency and it&#x27;s also okay to waste some time on mindless things.
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swayvil将近 2 年前
In dreamland talking to this lady about whatever.<p>She says, &quot;ask your rat&quot;. Points at my phone.<p>I reply, &quot;Rat?&quot;.<p>&quot;Yes. It&#x27;s the size and weight of a rat. It squeaks like a rat&quot;<p>&quot;And it spies on me&quot;.<p>&quot;Yes&quot;.
baremetal将近 2 年前
I don&#x27;t use my phone for anything but calls and texts, and occasionally looking something up.<p>I meditate or engage with people standing while in lines.<p>If I&#x27;m gonna spend time on a computer I do it on a laptop at home. All my HN browsing is on a laptop.<p>I keep the phone in a separate room.<p>I don&#x27;t give myself the slack to spend time looking at my phone. Its a waste of time anyway and I end up missing out on life.
passwordoops将近 2 年前
Apropos of this topic, I&#x27;m in the middle of reading Dopamine Nation, recommended reading for everyone. Just about anything that gives us pleasure has the potential to be addictive, and unfortunately our entire system is based on getting us to indulge in what makes us feel &quot;good&quot;, ergo addictive behaviors are highly encouraged. The tech industry is no exception as UX is generally predicated on making us feel &quot;delighted&quot; i.e. addicted.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.annalembke.com&#x2F;dopamine-nation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.annalembke.com&#x2F;dopamine-nation</a>
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AlbertCory将近 2 年前
I knew a guy at Google (name withheld, for obvious reasons), who would put his phone on the floor face up while in the gym doing pushups. This way, if an email came in, he would know instantly.<p>Three little words: <i>It can wait.</i>
BxGyw2将近 2 年前
Good read and solid point but who the fuck is injecting from crack cocaine? All that baking soda can&#x27;t be good for you
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BlueTemplar将近 2 年前
While in this case the particular 3 questions do not help, it&#x27;s nice that these links regularly pop up on HN, at which point I notice that I have been abusing it <i>again</i>...
Aerbil313将近 2 年前
Great article. I myself am completely unable to limit my consumption of novel information input by “willpower” or whatever. I’m 18 yo, and the internet, programming, HN, reddit and all are too damn interesting, unnaturally, too much. My brain is completely wired to seek novel information input and surge dopamine. I was an addict of some other thing before too, and I know this is %100 dopamine addiction. The only solution that I found to work, that lets my brain “breathe” and brain fog to clear is restricting access.<p>I set the password of my iPhone to a 20-digit number which I surely won’t be able to memorize while setting it up. I put all my contacts to my Emergency Contacts so that I can call them without unlocking my phone. I’m logged in to WhatsApp Web on my iPad, I use it from there. My iPad has Screen Time on, its settings are controlled from my iPhone. All domains except some necessary government etc. domains are blocked, and new app installing is disabled on the iPad. After setting up Screen Time, I asked my brother to enter a random password for the Screen Time password and forget it.<p>I created an iOS Shortcut on my iPhone which dictates my password[2] only if I’m X meters away from banned locations (home &amp; school), because every once in a while I need to unlock my phone to do something. I go on a walk&#x2F;run and unlock my phone in that case. The shortcut is a widget, it works while my phone is locked.<p>I also time-locked[1] this password to 24 hours (you can only open it after a decryption process which takes 24 hours) and saved it to my DO server in its locked form, because Shortcuts very rarely doesn’t work. I use my server to decrypt if needed.<p>My computer’s (NixOS) password is time-locked too, as I’m currently still in school and shouldn’t be using it (Little time left to university exam). After the exam, I plan to lock it down to 6 hours a day and writing a browser extension which uses an LLM to close the current tab if I’m not working on my project X and instead say, doomscrolling HN.<p>1: I use this program I wrote, in case anyone is interested: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;aerbil313&#x2F;timelock">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;aerbil313&#x2F;timelock</a><p>2: It doesn’t dictate the password digits for security reasons. It plays a different notification tone for each digit while I’m entering the password. I memorized which sound is which.
eimrine将近 2 年前
&gt; It’s about whether your phone is a needy, attention-sucking vampire.<p>What else outcomes might be awaited if &quot;the phone&quot; is running non-free software? I am exactly that kind of person whose healthy screen time of snoop phones is zero because of some attention obstructions - but I have no fatigue issues after heavy sessions behind a screen which is powered by Debian without opening any websites requiring JS.
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jrm4将近 2 年前
A simple .. &quot;hack?&quot; that has served me well.<p>No social media on the phone, computer only; in fact, turn off all notifications not from live human beings trying to contact me personally.<p>It seems as if the big social media sites are beginning to appreciate this as well? Seems like the formerly &quot;phone only&quot; sites are getting web interfaces...
quickthrower2将近 2 年前
Hot take that makes sense.<p>Just watch out for your posture
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eucryphia将近 2 年前
I don’t stare at my ‘phone’ while my soul expires, I read the ‘newspaper’, group message my family multiple times a day, research something deeper interesting on Wikipedia or a forum, interesting poasts on HN.<p>Your mileage depends on your self discipline.
thenerdhead将近 2 年前
I believe heavily in moderation. It’s a virtue after all and although many pleasures in life are extremely difficult to balance by nature, I think it is possible if you start to understand yourself more to see why you escape to a device.<p>Also I wrote a book on this topic and love sending copies to HN readers who struggle with this problem. Send me an email and I’ll send you a copy.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Enough-Seeking-less-world-more&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B0BF28PBG2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Enough-Seeking-less-world-more&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B0B...</a>
thriller将近 2 年前
Back in the dial-up days, my family&#x27;s internet account was shaped by time. We had thirty hours of internet usage per month.<p>We had an notebook where you had to log what hours you intended to use it.<p>I always thought it an effective way that I have now adapted. I keep a notebook full of things I want to read or learn about. Especially if you have a partner to keep you accountable.<p>It also helps my children learn to use technology instead of it using them.<p>Not in the book? I don&#x27;t look at it.
mark_l_watson将近 2 年前
I like the parallels with AA. Also, re: not how much time you spend on a phone, rather how you use it:<p>Good uses: listening to good literature on audio books, reading ebooks, reading long form articles on Substack, listening to a good lecture on YouTube.<p>Bad uses: having any notifications turned on except for specific family members, consuming addictive content of Tic Toc, FB, etc.<p>EDIT: and use freedom.to tools to limit fun and sometimes useful things like HN and Twitter.
photochemsyn将近 2 年前
Here&#x27;s an idea: an app that forces you to solve a fairly complex mathematical puzzle every time you try to open any social media app. This is lifted from Larry Niven&#x27;s Ringworld sci-fi novels (specifically, a wirehead addict uses this approach to limit their consumption).<p>Mobile devices don&#x27;t seem to make this very easy to do, though, you need a app wrapper of some kind which seems fairly case-specific.
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swayvil将近 2 年前
It&#x27;s an interesting connection, your attention as your soul.<p>Consider the implications of &quot;temptation&quot;. Consider &quot;bound soul&quot;, &quot;free soul&quot;, &quot;damned soul&quot;.<p>Consider a soul, and a body, in a subway car, diddling with its phone, on the way to work.<p>It really sheds light on the subject.
redkoala将近 2 年前
The same analogy applies for any screen usage - is the time I’m spending on my TV, computer or tablet disrespecting my time? Dark patterns for attention exist on all screens, they are just more prevalent on phones that are accessible to you all the time.
josefresco将近 2 年前
&quot;When it helps you to check in on your partner, to get directions, or to edit photos professionally, time doesn’t matter as much—does it?&quot;<p>I run into this conundrum every time I consider a dumbphone.
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izackp将近 2 年前
&gt; But consider that anything not honoring your time and attention is disrespecting you.<p>A great statement. I apply this to many things especially video games.
whiplash451将近 2 年前
You can only replace an addiction with another (healthier) one.<p>For instance: intense outdoor activity, time spent working in a farm, etc.<p>The tech we’ve built is insanely addictive.
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kang将近 2 年前
Zero screen time is not ideal. Everything over the internet is not drugs by the analogy
jcadam将近 2 年前
When you stare into your phone, your phone stares back at you.
adamwong246将近 2 年前
Delete the bad apps and move on with your life.
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boring_twenties将近 2 年前
Easy. Power down the phone first.
dingleberry将近 2 年前
airplane mode helps