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Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

190 点作者 escape-big-tech大约 2 年前

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nologic01大约 2 年前
Once the invasion of privacy proved monetarily and politically profitable and legally a gray area its fate was sealed.<p>In a sense the age of moving fast and breaking things helped us see what the <i>system</i> is made of: What sort of moral reflexes exist, how quickly they get mobilized, where this happens institutionally, geographically and socially etc.<p>Needless to say that it has been the bleakest of revelations.<p>What is deeply ironic though, is that the <i>system</i> is in self-destruct mode.<p>The privacy destruction happens in parallel with the annihilation of ownership &#x2F; copyright that is discussed in other threads. A new &quot;world order&quot; is instituted, uglier and poorer.<p>The prosperity and social stability of the West has been based on instituting, respecting property rights, privacy, individual agency as the bedrock of liberal market democracy.<p>It turned out the pillars on which the edifice was standing have rotted over time and nobody knew.
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booboofixer大约 2 年前
In the discussion of losing privacy we focus on the social freedoms lost as a result of loss of privacy. I agree with all of those arguments but missing from these discussions are the economic freedoms we might lose.<p>People like to portray their least favorite countries as being engaged in corporate espionage in other developed countries, but what stops your favorite big corp from stealing what you create? Going forward, the value of eyeballs on ads might not be much compared to the value of business ideas, strategies etc. a corporation can access by violating your privacy.<p>Think of it this way: If you are a business owner, how successful would your business be if every second of the day, your fierce competitors had access to all your phone calls, texts, google docs, spreadsheets etc.? What if your competitor is already established with much more resources to create and get to market before you can?
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diegoholiveira大约 2 年前
&gt; Our mission is clear - we aim to unravel the magic of FOSS, Linux, and self-hosting to individuals seeking a break from the shackles of Big Tech.<p>IMO, it&#x27;s not only Big Tech that poses a threat on privacy and freedom. Big Governments are other threat that, IMO, it&#x27;s much harder to fight against it.
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rayiner大约 2 年前
I can’t get any normies interested in privacy. Even my wife, who is the most tin-foil-hat woman I know, is perfectly fine with NSA spying, the TSA, etc. Given that, how can anyone say that privacy is “one of the most fundamental human rights?” The masses obviously don’t agree. And who else even has standing to decide what’s a human right and what isn’t?
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endisneigh大约 2 年前
privacy is important but the article is strange because all of the things described can be opted-out of. in the case of Telly you are explicitly trading off privacy in order to receive a free product. don&#x27;t consume if you don&#x27;t agree.<p>there are certain situations in which you might be OK with the privacy implication. I, for example, would be OK with receiving a free car ride if I had to watch an advertisement while traveling in the vehicle.<p>a better example would be something like being fingerprinted at the airport. Where it is not strictly necessary in order to accomplish the goal of security. In general I would say Big Government is more concerning than Big Tech. Is it unfortunate that Meta and Google track you across the internet? Sure, but it&#x27;s ultimately not necessary for your participation in society, unlike say being tracked in order to get a state identification card, and thus do basic things like get a bank account.
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jmclnx大约 2 年前
Well I dare say, before civilization, when people lived in small tribes, there was no privacy in your tribe.<p>But now, comparing to back then, all other &quot;tribes&quot; can see what you are doing.
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deutschepost大约 2 年前
Everytime I read threads like this I get very concerned. It&#x27;s like, even here, people don&#x27;t understand the core problem. Or are intentionally trying to shift the blame away from big tech.<p>Of course the state spies on you. After Edward Snowden everyone should know that. And thats a big problem because the state is the one actor that should fight to protect you from surveillance. But let&#x27;s not claim that big tech is not the motor of the machine that is state sanctioned surveillance. Google allowed the US to read your e-mails. A yahoo software was responsible to access your webcam from the outside. NSO sold Pegasus to state actors.<p>That sounds bad enough. But if these companies would care about their users they would stop this from happening. Right? Of course these companies will tell you that they need your information to provide you with the best service. In reality they want to collect the biggest value as possible from you.<p>In the past you would just pay for a service and the service would provide a service. If the company wanted to extract more value from their users they would raise the prices. But today is different. It is no longer just a transaction between you and a company. It is also a transaction between the company and a third actor who is interested on spying on you.<p>The motivation changes. It is no longer about protecting you country or whatever. It is about money. And companies want to make money. And if companies see a legal opportunity to make more money they will take it. They will sell as much of your data as possible.<p>Now you will tell me that I should just stop using these services. But that&#x27;s not so easy. Network effects are real. If they aren&#x27;t real for you? Great. But other people have friends outside of tech circles. Now if you want to have a social life you need WhatsApp or other services. This is an even bigger problem in developing countries that are literally dependent on these &quot;free&quot; services.<p>Normal people wont buy a homeserver, self host a matrix instance and convert literally everyone in their friend group to element. They will go for the cheaper solution and just download WhatsApp. But they don&#x27;t know that they are paying for this service with their data. E2EE? Yeah right, your Messages can only be read by me, you and Facebook.<p>This is why we are in dire need of anchoring privacy into law. People will go for the cheaper option. But if you are in need of using a service it should not come with strings attached. And if your service is only sustainable by selling the private correspondence of people it deserves to die. There is plenty of great OSS that just doesn&#x27;t have the network effects of proprietary ones.
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motohagiography大约 2 年前
For privacy to exist, you need a shared understanding of something effectively &quot;sacred,&quot; where the ethics that stem from it are self enforcing. I have trespasser and loiterer problems where I live because newer people in my area don&#x27;t recognize private property unless it has high fences or walls around it. Their understanding of privacy does not incorporate the norms of the society they have joined, and it creates tension with the locals.<p>Imagine some strangers decided your house was a tourist attraction and developed a subculture and social scene around it. This might seem insane to you, where if your sentiments toward them as the resident did not matter to them, but the symbol of being somehow associated with your home and property did, this would be an encroachment on your privacy. To them, legally they&#x27;re just in public looking at things they desire (your property), and using the peace and effect of your property as their own relative privacy so that they can have sex in their cars away from people who might recognize them.<p>The lack of privacy in this case is a lack of shared norms, and an inability to enforce or resolve them without conflict. When it comes to electronic privacy, the same dynamic applies, where you&#x27;re &quot;just a user,&quot; and not a person, but rather an object that is subject to some process by an other.<p>Privacy also definitely breaks down at scale, and it might actually be defined as relating only in a context on a certain scale - or that privacy itself is an artifact of context in a given scale. It needs re-thinking because it&#x27;s not a value that is universally shared, it requires an enforcement mechanism, and it also seems to require a certain belief in basic dignity that is separate from material concerns. It presumes some natural rights that are not natural to everyone, and I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s something an individual has unless they can actually defend it.
swayvil大约 2 年前
If we could trust the wolves to not eat us zero privacy would be excellent. Imagine how useful that would be for running a society. Bespoke everything. Crazy efficient.<p>But ya. May as well ask pigs to fly.<p>Which brings up another point. Isn&#x27;t it crazy how our society bends over backwards and twists, chokes and contorts itself? To accommodate the existence of wolves.
photochemsyn大约 2 年前
This article seems to be a response to this &#x27;free Orwellian TV monitor&#x27; offer:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;telly-tv-free-privacy&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;telly-tv-free-privacy&#x2F;</a><p>I think the real wet dream of the security state is to have a software agent for every human on the planet. Something rather like this was at the core of DARPA&#x27;s &quot;Total Information Awareness&quot; program of about two decades ago (later absorbed by the NSA and private contractors IIRC). Today&#x27;s LLMs help make the concept clear - if you could collect enough data about a person you could create a software construct that could predict how that person would respond to different stimuli - an advertisement, a news story, etc. It would be the greatest tool for mass control every invented in the history of humanity - and those in control would use it to create the most dystopian authoritarian state imaginable - and yet those who lived under that state would probably think they were &#x27;free people&#x27;.<p>The idea was nicely laid out in the 1995 movie, &quot;Twelve Monkeys&quot;:<p>&gt; &quot;Jeffrey Goines : When I was institutionalized, my brain was studied exhaustively in the guise of mental health. I was interrogated, I was x-rayed, I was examined <i>thoroughly</i>. Then, they took everything about me and put it into a computer where they created this model of my mind. Yes! Using that model they managed to generate every thought I could possibly have in the next, say, 10 years. Which they then filtered through a probability matrix of some kind to determine everything I was gonna do in that period. So you see, she knew I was gonna lead the Army of the Twelve Monkeys into the pages of history before it ever even occurred to me. She knows everything I&#x27;m ever gonna do before I know it myself. How&#x27;s that?&quot;<p>It&#x27;s the FBI keeping files on citizens, but on steroids. Those claiming &#x27;this is fine&#x27; generally don&#x27;t like to talk about who would get access to the database of agents, and who wouldn&#x27;t.
austin-cheney大约 2 年前
The best means of preserving privacy online is encryption and to not send to or store data in a server. Of course the challenge there is a dramatic economic shift in revenue generation for many software companies that imposes a competing interest.
TekMol大约 2 年前
As an individual, I want privacy of course.<p>But is privacy really important to mankind?<p>If we look at mankind as an organism, the organism can function better if each part knows what the other part is doing. If the left hand knows what the right hand does.<p>Isn&#x27;t it the same with mankind? Maybe a society is more efficient without privacy. And more efficiency of the society would benefit its members.
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FreshStart大约 2 年前
ChatGpt emulate a conversation while moving through the city. Topic: local sportsteams and the shops windows. Add:GPS markers and background noise + occasional synthetic screenshot. Generate parallel plausibel phone activity.<p>Hand as argument&#x27;s to &quot;NonOfYourBuisness.app&quot; on my phone.
pwndByDeath大约 2 年前
Or you have the right to remain silent... Just give up on the exhibition platforms, nobody you care about cares about what you post, it can only be held against you.
gjsman-1000大约 2 年前
I’m personally reminded of the Pied Piper of Hamelin (which has some historical evidence for being a true story)…
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dogman144大约 2 年前
I used to engage with this topic a lot and still orient my life around minimizing the scope of digital access to my life. The outcomes are great - I read books more often, and I’m less on my phone bc my phone is largely bricked outside of Signal.<p>That said, our laws represent our values. We have a complete lack of tangible privacy laws and any ability to enforce them, and that doesn’t seem to be changing despite decades of these calls. GDPR delete requests are a joke because of the 17 marketing excel sheets with user exports floating around and forgotten in downloads folder that every tech company with user data has in some form.<p>Western culture, in its current form, doesn’t value privacy. It’s nuking privacy bc of tech-enabled capitalism and a decentralized mess of efforts to hit OKRs, love of social media by users, making that next VC raise, do that compliance check on user origin.<p>Everything about tech can’t function without that stream of user data. Every company is about tech now. Every company can’t function in its current profit mode without user data.<p>I’ve benefited greatly from capitalism, so I don’t get too bent out of shape. But you have to spend just one quarter with access to user-facing logs to know privacy is a lost cause, unless there is a significant reevaluation of tech regulations, and then you’d need the actual hammer-drop EPA in new 1970z style regulations. I don’t think we’ll get it.<p>So my conclusion is to protect yourself as able and otherwise ride the wave into what’s next.
alphanullmeric大约 2 年前
Especially financial privacy, which many supposed supporters of privacy are always very quiet about. It’s unfortunate to hear the patriot act style talking points people use to justify KYC laws and transaction tracking.
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coremoff大约 2 年前
I disagree that it&#x27;s a fundamental right. Over most of history privacy has been rare for most people, with the provisio that if you really wanted a private conversation you could have one in the middle of an open field in daylight with a reasonable expectation that your conversation would not be compromised.<p>These days there can be no such expectation, and we need to separate out discussion of day-to-day privacy from &quot;if bad actors intercept my communication bad things happen&quot;.<p>We should aggressively maintain the security of privilaged communication, and not stress so much about day to day privacy in our lives; stop gossiping and judging others for actions that do not harm others, whilst allowing them necessary privacy for transactions that should remain privilaged.
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jruohonen大约 2 年前
A decent but a little bit too alarmist essay in my opinion. A few reservations also, starting with:<p>&quot;Our actions, our words, <i>even our thoughts</i>, are being monitored, recorded, and analyzed. The sanctity of our homes, once our refuge from the world, is under threat.&quot;<p>&quot;It’s not just mere data; rather, it’s a master key to the sealed vaults of our <i>thoughts</i> and experiences.&quot;<p>The mind-reading stuff is still a fantasy and will be so also in the future. Then:<p>&quot;An individual’s freedom of speech hinges significantly on their ability to communicate privately without fear of reprisal.&quot;<p>True enough in principle, but I&#x27;d reckon that in the current infodemic it is more about who is given a voice (or a megaphone). Furthermore:<p>&quot;Enterprises are no longer solely engaged in the commerce of goods or services; they are also playing a part in a grand, global data accumulation endeavour, where consumer data assumes colossal worth.&quot;<p>Once again true enough, but then again, most of data is garbage, useless beyond the immediate moment of pushing an ad or two. Finally:<p>&quot;This isn’t a criticism aimed at those agencies responsible for our national security.&quot;<p>I am not sure whether their job either is made easier or worse by the vast amounts of garbage.
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