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Exclusive: Ministers had ‘chilling’ secret unit to curb lockdown dissent

72 点作者 electic将近 2 年前

14 条评论

scrlk将近 2 年前
I&#x27;m not surprised at all. A few months back it was revealed that the Army&#x27;s information warfare unit was involved in monitoring lockdown critics.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telegraph.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;2023&#x2F;01&#x2F;29&#x2F;armys-information-warfare-unit-monitored-covid-lockdown-critics&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telegraph.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;2023&#x2F;01&#x2F;29&#x2F;armys-informatio...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;WkAqc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;WkAqc</a>
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cynicalsecurity将近 2 年前
Surprise surprise, government can mobilise police&#x2F;army to protect their citizens. Who would have thought.<p>Come on, no one knew if it was a new black death or just a harmless virus. The hysteria about government taking valid steps in an unclear situation is childish.
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h2odragon将近 2 年前
Now all we need to do is police the dissent caused by the speech restrictions; and counteract it by having media voices repeat loudly and often that such concerns are based on (mis|dis|mal)information; and everything is fixed and everyone happy, right?
wsc981将近 2 年前
The Netherlands had a similar unit; I’d imagine other countries had as well.<p>In The Netherlands it’s mostly a secret which people were part of the unit, though a couple have been discovered and perhaps there will be more to come.
logifail将近 2 年前
&gt; no one knew if it was a new black death or just a harmless virus<p><i>When</i> did &quot;no one know&quot;?<p>There was already data in early May 2020 showing risk by age group<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;d_spiegel&#x2F;status&#x2F;1260542469256753153" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;d_spiegel&#x2F;status&#x2F;1260542469256753153</a>
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donohoe将近 2 年前
This is from The Telegraph so you’ll find many truthful things that are twisted or presented in a way to push their narrative.<p>See the Twitter Files coverage for another example etc.
1827163将近 2 年前
From the article: “This is not what ought to happen in a free country.”<p>What do you expect from a country that&#x27;s been a police state for the last 23 years or so.<p>With the introduction of the RIP Act in 2000, which compels those with encrypted data to divulge the keys, under penalty of imprisonment. From that, I could tell something had gone very wrong with our government, even back then.<p>The RIP Act opened the door to government policing of what information we are reading. Because you could no longer encrypt your data to hide it from the state&#x27;s prying eyes. It was a watershed moment. And that point was where I could say the UK is no longer a free country anymore.
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Eumenes将近 2 年前
The UK is an absolute mess in regards to this stuff ... from anti monarchy protestors being arrested, to journalists questioning the Ukraine narrative being arrested (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thegrayzone.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;05&#x2F;30&#x2F;journalist-kit-klarenberg-british-police-interrogated-grayzone&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thegrayzone.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;05&#x2F;30&#x2F;journalist-kit-klarenberg...</a>)
doitLP将近 2 年前
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postingawayonhn将近 2 年前
It might be concerning, but this isn&#x27;t some great exclusive. The establishment was reported in March 2020.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2020&#x2F;mar&#x2F;09&#x2F;cross-whitehall-unit-coronavirus-disinformation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2020&#x2F;mar&#x2F;09&#x2F;cross-whitehal...</a>
phtrivier将近 2 年前
Governements are in a weird place on those fronts. Either they don&#x27;t try to interfere with what happens on social media, and they are criticized for not protecting people, and also have to deal with the consequences (I&#x27;d argue that misinformation about a disease will have health consequences. Maybe they&#x27;re overedtimated, though ?)<p>Alternatively, they have to try and &quot;police&quot; social media, which can not look like anything but policing free speech, which, especially in times of uncertainty, is bound to backfire.<p>I wonder if people would be concerned too if the social media platforms were, in the end, ruled by juges rather than governments?<p>It would still be a &quot;them&quot;, but at least it would not be the same &quot;them&quot;. Or would the social networks start to revolt against judges ?<p>(Yes, I know, it will look a lot like separation of powers ((c) Montesquieu), and like we&#x27;re going to reinvent &quot;judges&quot; and &quot;the laws of free press from the late 1800s&quot; any time soon.)
TheOtherHobbes将近 2 年前
It&#x27;s really quite amusing to see The Telegraph trying to claim the moral high ground over government interference and disinformation.<p>For those who don&#x27;t know, The Telegraph is an extreme right media outlet which regularly publishes absolutely batshit denialist nonsense about Covid, climate change, immigration, and all the usual hits.<p>It&#x27;s a Q drop for the UK&#x27;s upper class.<p>Not coincidentally it used to employ Boris Johnson, and while PM he allegedly said that it was his real boss.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;boris-johnson-refers-telegraph-real-boss-dominic-cummings-claims&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;boris-johnson-refers-telegraph-re...</a><p>So here we are with more than 200,000 dead and more than 2 million with Long Covid.<p>Good job, Telegraph writers. I hope you&#x27;re all proud of your &quot;journalism.&quot;
chimprich将近 2 年前
I can&#x27;t read the article because it&#x27;s paywalled (and I&#x27;m unwilling to give the Barclay family any cash) but I&#x27;m very sceptical about the accuracy of the article given the Telegraph&#x27;s history of printing lies and nonsense about the pandemic.<p>See for example: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;entertainment-arts-55676037" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;entertainment-arts-55676037</a><p>Does HN have any guidelines about paywalled articles? I assume a large proportion of people commenting here won&#x27;t have read the article.
LatteLazy将近 2 年前
&gt;Many of the issues being raised were valid at the time and have since been proven to be well-founded.<p>No, they were not.<p>More evidence of the Fox-ification of the Telegraph, a once respectable source of news...