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Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future of /r/blind

551 点作者 nickcotter将近 2 年前

28 条评论

DoreenMichele将近 2 年前
One of the comments:<p><i>Yes, modding is where the biggest problems are. When moderating, most of the buttons are unlabeled. It would be quite easy to delete a comment when I meant to lock a thread or whatever, if I forget the exact order I&#x27;ve memorized for the buttons. And adding stuff to sidebars or changing the layout of the sub isn&#x27;t really possible at all. There are also a lot of dialogues, alerts, etc, that pop up without getting focus. There&#x27;s also a lack of headings, landmarks, or other mark-up in modmail, making it slow and difficult to use. This stuff really matters when you&#x27;re helping mod a sub with thousands of users. If all you&#x27;re doing is reading, and leaving the occasional comment, it&#x27;s...fine. Not good, but fine.</i><p>----<p>It&#x27;s important for a sub for disabled individuals to have mods with that disability.<p>I didn&#x27;t care about this protest and haven&#x27;t much followed articles and such about it, but this feels like a kick in the gut. People with disabilities can have their lives substantially enhanced by the internet, <i>if</i> accessibility isn&#x27;t a bar to them connecting with people, finding info they need, taking actions online (like bill paying), etc.<p>I hope this gets satisfactorily resolved for blind users of Reddit. Ugh.
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timf将近 2 年前
Related:<p><i>Reddit is creating an exemption to its unpopular new API pricing terms for makers of accessibility apps, which could come as a big relief for some developers worried about how to afford the potentially expensive fees and the users that rely on the apps to browse Reddit. As long as those apps are noncommercial and “address accessibility needs,” they won’t have to pay to access Reddit’s data.</i><p><i>“We’ve connected with select developers of non-commercial apps that address accessibility needs and offered them exemptions from our large-scale pricing terms,” Reddit spokesperson Tim Rathschmidt says in a statement to The Verge.</i><p>From <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;6&#x2F;7&#x2F;23752804&#x2F;reddit-exempt-accessibility-apps-api-pricing-changes" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;6&#x2F;7&#x2F;23752804&#x2F;reddit-exempt-acc...</a>
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jareds将近 2 年前
As someone who&#x27;s blind I never looked at Reddit because it was not particularly easy to use with a screen reader. Now&#x27;s a heck of a time to discover there are accessible ways of accessing it for the next two months.
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xenadu02将近 2 年前
The percentage of people who use a third party app to read reddit is likely relatively small. They&#x27;re also the most likely to be invested in the platform. Why make these users angry? Why even take the risk that some of your users might leave for another platform?<p>If the issue is displaying ads or gathering analytics you can deal with both of those without cutting off third party apps. If you are concerned that others are building big data tools or bots off your free API you can also just grandfather the existing popular clients as free or with a very large discount.<p>For that matter you can also just set different price tiers for API clients that are used interactively by real people to interact with subreddits vs anyone else.<p>The social media game is all about network effects. Putting up barriers to making reddit a core service is only a bad thing. What positive gain is reddit expecting from killing third party clients here? As I said ads and analytics can be handled by the license agreement. You can even require them to link a library you provide that does the ad displays and analytics by pulling code from your servers so if you really <i>must</i> have deep control of that experience you can.
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rektide将近 2 年前
Reddit is doing so much injury to the free labor mods. They are so massively disproportionately injured by these changes, as people who direly need advanced changes. Absolutely wild own goal.
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endisneigh将近 2 年前
Unpopular opinion but I bet Reddit survives this just fine. Those complaining probably aren’t clicking the ads and there are enough people who are addicted to Reddit to replace any mods who leave.<p>The energy is better spent getting Reddit to improve their official app imho
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flangola7将近 2 年前
I know the popular sentiment is that Reddit is doing this to look good for IPO but won&#x27;t investors <i>google the business they&#x27;re about to invest a lot of money in?</i><p>10 minutes of research makes it completely obvious they&#x27;re endangering their core business.<p>Reddit doesn&#x27;t work without functional moderation. Despite years of asking, the native mod tools are no where close to parity with 3rd party tools. This alienates good mods who are not generic gears you can just swap out, building a strong subreddit culture and rapport takes years of good faith effort. Then they&#x27;re alienating a sizeable block of the most engaged users, and on top of everything they&#x27;re shameless discriminating against the disabled.<p>Who looks at all that and thinks &quot;yes this is definitely a stable venture ran by competent management and a reliable place to expect RoI.&quot;<p>Investors are soulless but they are not stupid.
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EdSchouten将近 2 年前
Interesting! TIL there is a Windows desktop application called &quot;Reddit for Blind&quot; that can be used to access Reddit with a screen reader:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.redditforblind.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.redditforblind.org</a><p>My instinctive reaction was: &quot;No screenshots on the page!&quot; A couple of seconds later I realised how silly that was, but now as a non-blind person I am interested in knowing what the overall user experience is. Respect for the person maintaining this app!
prmoustache将近 2 年前
The funny and ironic part is seeing people kind of contesting decision of a proprietary service, then flee to another proprietary service like discord.<p>Like, will they ever learn?
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whyenot将近 2 年前
Reddit is shooting itself in the foot by effectively banning the tools that moderators use to do their free labor. I&#x27;m surprised Reddit didn&#x27;t take a slower and more gradual approach instead of a drastic change like this. I guess Steve Huffman has IPO fever.
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jmclnx将近 2 年前
This is interesting, I did not realize (but should have) APIs were used to help blind people.<p>In this case, I think reddit could face legal issues, at least in the US. So now to me, looks like this change was not fully analyzed.
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Havoc将近 2 年前
Shout out to reddit execs for spectacular job tanking your rep ahead of IPO.
ok123456将近 2 年前
Since this change makes a service less accessible to the disabled, is there way to bring injunctive relief under the ADA?
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IAmGraydon将近 2 年前
Some products can’t be monetized. Sometimes monetization kills its host. Reddit will be a case study in how this dynamic can unfold. I’ll miss it, but a replacement will eventually come along.
dom96将近 2 年前
I still hope that Reddit will reverse its plans to charge money for its API, but with every passing piece of news like this it just feels less and less likely.<p>In the interest of preparing for the worst and offering an alternative. I have created <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;api.reddiw.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;api.reddiw.com</a>. If you&#x27;re an app developer that is affected by this price increase please consider adopting it, feel to reach out to me if you have any questions and we can work together.
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dopa42365将近 2 年前
&#x2F;r&#x2F;blind going dark?
kortex将近 2 年前
Perhaps a naive question, but what prevents a user from running an emulation layer with a virtual browser, that pipes the data to a desired client? Term of service?<p>Ok what if they decide to run said adversarial interface, host the code outside of judicial grasp, and cover tracks?<p>Yeah performance would probably be subpar, but if Reddit keeps up this process, that will be the likely inevitable outcome.
benced将近 2 年前
It&#x27;s a real bummer that computers should be strictly superior to non-digital technology for accessibility (a book is a book and doesn&#x27;t change after it&#x27;s printed) but for economic reasons, it won&#x27;t be. I can&#x27;t even super blame Reddit - they&#x27;re just capitalists trying to make money. It just feels like an own-goal by humanity.
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dbg31415将近 2 年前
How is Reddit not required to be WCAG compliant?
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paulcole将近 2 年前
&gt; On May 31, 2023, Reddit announced they were raising the price to make calls to their API from being free to a level that will kill every third party app on Reddit, from Apollo, to Dystopia, to Reddit for Blind, to Luna for Reddit, to BaconReader<p>This is what I don&#x27;t get. Nothing&#x27;s been killed. They can keep existing, they just have to pay. Why is nobody talking about just passing the cost along to the consumer and seeing how objectionable the cost really is?
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BigElephant将近 2 年前
Kind of off topic but are there any tools that blind people use that developers can help contribute to?
yieldcrv将近 2 年前
disruptive, but you <i>can</i> pay for it………<p>like the costs are absurd… for existing communities… but if there is utility then……<p>I dont know I can tell I’m stepping on eggshells here for something thats clearly going to happen the way I describe, and not how the protest describes
lxe将近 2 年前
Reddit is having a Digg v4 moment
RobotToaster将近 2 年前
It&#x27;s infuriating how these massive companies refuse to make their apps accessible.
smrtinsert将近 2 年前
Behold, reddits digg redesign moment.
thih9将近 2 年前
The community seems to overwhelmingly support the protest. Perhaps this is an opportunity for a coordinated move elsewhere?
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jhatemyjob将近 2 年前
These protests are pointless. Let reddit kill itself. It had its time.
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nonethewiser将近 2 年前
These subreddit blackouts are so dumb. All it does is reinforce that Reddit can do what they want and communities won&#x27;t go anywhere. It&#x27;s like a teenager running away then showing up for dinner. If you want Reddit to get the message migrate your community and nuke the subreddit.
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