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Peter Singer on utilitarianism, influence, and controversial ideas

70 点作者 razcle将近 2 年前

11 条评论

simonh将近 2 年前
I’m disappointed he projects some sort of idealised aloof moral superiority on anything non human, as though humans are obviously morally inferior to any possible other species. That our failings are somehow objectively inexcusable.<p>He chooses dolphins. The primary reproductive strategy of many dolphins is to gang up on a female, beat her into submission and gang rape her. They also routinely murder the infants of rivals. They’re vicious predators, with all the behaviours that come with that. Given the right context of communication it’s a likely a group of dolphins would side with us to exterminate another group to take their territory and females, as condemn us for anything.<p>Oh but we can’t call it rape or murder because that’s projecting human values. He’s doing exactly the same thing.<p>I’m not saying humans are beyond criticism or that his points against us are wrong. He makes a lot of actually very good points. I’ve discussed his ideas with my kids before.<p>It’s just trying to portray humans as specially, egregiously worse than any conceivable comparison is kind of stupid frankly. It’s children’s fairytale morality.
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cinntaile将近 2 年前
It&#x27;s a bit disappointing to read the comments here, the level is not very high. He&#x27;s a philosopher, he&#x27;s going to ask thorny questions and sometimes end up with logically sound but inhuman answers. This doesn&#x27;t really tell us much about him as a person. You can lower your pitch forks.
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FrustratedMonky将近 2 年前
Lot of talk about agents.<p>Goes back to Schopenhauer:<p>&quot;Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.&quot;<p>If it is morally ok for Lions to kill their prey. Then it is also morally ok for humans to do human things, which includes killing each other and eating everything in sight.<p>The only morality is enforced by humans on other humans. There is no universal morality. Humanity is just a group of monkeys that would prefer to live where killing within their group is not allowed and appoint other monkeys to police their area and put any killers or thieves in a monkey prison. Note, killing or stealing from other groups of monkeys is a-ok.
avgcorrection将近 2 年前
A vegan+animal activist being a misanthrope is really the perfect bullseye when it comes to stereotypes.
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hackandthink将近 2 年前
&quot;Journal of Controversial Ideas&quot; is a nice idea.<p>After skimming the content:<p>I guess most controversial ideas are to controversial to be published in this journal. (which is maybe a good thing)
tomcam将近 2 年前
In his book “Practical Ethics” he recommends infanticide up to 2 years old as a logical extension to abortion.
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B1FF_PSUVM将近 2 年前
I&#x27;ll just leave this here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;existentialcomics.com&#x2F;comic&#x2F;494" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;existentialcomics.com&#x2F;comic&#x2F;494</a>
George83728将近 2 年前
Utilitarianism and consequentialism are very dangerous; they make it too easy for people to justify murder by doing a little moral arithmetic and (consciously or subconsciously) putting their finger on the scale by selectively considering or ignoring some outcomes. Peter Singer has demonstrated this himself, having seen fit to justify the murder of children for the greater good. This is why good moral philosophies have a deontological core of simple principles such as <i>&quot;Don&#x27;t murder people.&quot;</i>
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airgapstopgap将近 2 年前
The most important of Singer&#x27;s writings, in my opinion, is &quot;Secrecy in Consequentialism&quot;[0], mentioned in this podcast too, though not the crucial part, which I will present without further comment except that this paper should make any utterance from Singer or any of his followers (for example, SBF) inherently untrustworthy.<p>&gt; There are acts which are right only if no one – or virtually no one – will get to know about them. The rightness of an act, in other words, may depend on its secrecy. This can have implications for how often, and in what circumstances, such an act may be done.<p>&gt; Some people know better, or can learn better, than others what it is right to do in certain circumstances.<p>&gt; There are at least two different sets of instruction, or moral codes, suitable for the different categories of people. This raises the question whether there are also different standards by which we should judge what people do.<p>&gt; Though the consequentialist believes that acts are right only if they have consequences at least as good as anything else the agent could have done, the consequentialist may need to discourage others from embracing consequentialism. …<p>&gt; The idea that it is better if some moral views are not widely known was not invented by Sidgwick. In Plato’s Republic, Socrates proposes that ordinary people be brought up to believe that everyone is born ‘from the earth’ into one of three classes, gold, silver or bronze, and living justly consists in doing what is in their nature. Only the philosopher-rulers will know that this is really a myth, a ‘noble lie’. …<p>&gt; Esoteric morality is a necessary part of a consequentialist theory, and all of the points above can be defended. …<p>&gt; One of the most common objections to consequentialism is based on a hypothetical situation in which a surgeon has to do a delicate brain operation on a patient who happens to be the ideal organ donor for four other patients in the hospital, each of whom will die shortly unless they receive, respectively, a heart, a liver, and – for two of them – a kidney. The doctor is highly skilled, and is confident of her ability to carry out the brain surgery successfully. If she does, her patient will lead a more or less normal life.<p>&gt; But because the operation is a delicate one, no one could blame her, or have any reason to suspect anything, if the patient were to die on the operating table. Moreover, the hospital is experienced in organ transplantation, and the surgeon knows that if the patient were to die, the recipients of the patient’s organs would soon be able to go home and lead a more or less normal life. The surgeon knows no other details about her patient or the other patients, such as whether they are married, have children, or are about to discover a cure for cancer. In these circumstances, critics of consequentialism say, the consequentialist must think that the doctor ought to kill her patient, since in that way four lives will be saved, and only one lost, and this must be better than four dying and only one being saved. But, so the objection runs, it is obviously morally wrong for the surgeon to kill her patient, and any moral theory that says the contrary must be rejected.<p>&gt; <i>We agree that the consequentialist must accept that, in these circumstances, the right thing for the surgeon to do would be to kill the one to save the four, but we do not agree that this means that consequentialism should be rejected. We think, on the contrary, that the appearance of unacceptability here comes from the fact that this is one of those rare cases in which the action is right only if perfect secrecy can be expected.</i> Moreover, it is not an action that should be recommended to others.<p>0. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;onlinelibrary.wiley.com&#x2F;doi&#x2F;abs&#x2F;10.1111&#x2F;j.1467-9329.2009.00449.x" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;onlinelibrary.wiley.com&#x2F;doi&#x2F;abs&#x2F;10.1111&#x2F;j.1467-9329....</a>
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monkeycantype将近 2 年前
I&#x27;ve enjoyed what I&#x27;ve read of Singer, I agree with a lot of what I read, but Utilitarianism misses something essential - we experience the world as an individual, all our eggs in this one irreplaceable basket. To feel safe, to be able to trust and cooperate, we need to feel that we have a unique spot in this great sea of people, that we uniquely matter to someone, that there are people who value and care about us specifically, that to someone we are irreplaceable. Any argument that weighs the cost of a life support machine for loved one, against a thousand vaccines for strangers is completely missing the point that it is billions of individual ties of love for specific individual people that knot this whole thing together. The commitments that we make to our loved ones, that we stick to beyond logic or hope, these are the hyphae of the great mycelium of our civilisation.
NoMoreNicksLeft将近 2 年前
&gt; why he might side with aliens over humans,<p>He&#x27;s sitting on the fence about being a species traitor?
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