Debian 12 “Bookworm”

Congratulations to the Debian team!<p>An important change appears to be the inclusion of non-free firmware by default in the official install image for the first time, as a result of this vote: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.debian.org&#x2F;vote&#x2F;2022&#x2F;vote_003" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.debian.org&#x2F;vote&#x2F;2022&#x2F;vote_003</a><p>Intriguing. I feel a little torn on this. One the one hand, I appreciate being able to install Debian from an official image onto a bothersome device. On the other, I can&#x27;t help but feel we&#x27;re losing something when even a purist distribution like Debian is forced to concede in the fight against proprietary blobs.<p>Edit: dropped the word &#x27;kernel&#x27; from &#x27;proprietary blobs&#x27;, as rightly picked up by kind commenters below.

If any of the Debian team is here, congratulations and thank you for putting together such a solid, consistently high quality Linux distro.

One thing I really appreciate about Debian is that when a new stable release comes around, I can just upgrade and be reasonably sure nothing bad will happen.<p>It&#x27;s not exciting, but a fair amount of the time, this is what people expect from their operating system. Support my hardware, give me the software I need, and stay out of my way otherwise. And that is what Debian does very well.

Never ceases to amaze me. There is all kinds of things wrong with Debian I am sure. But at the end of the day, what that community does is mindblowingly impressive.<p>Much gratitude from a Slink-and-a-half user, back in the day.

I see this old-package argument over and over again and I think it is inaccurate, considering that an estimated 95% of Ubuntu users use the LTS version, the below table demonstrates that Debian 12 (stable) packages are newer than those of of Ubuntu 22.04. Both Debian 12 and Ubuntu 22.04 are LTS versions with 5 years of support.<p><pre><code> Ubuntu 22.04 Kernel 5.19 (new installs only, existing installs 5.15) systemd 249 KDE Plasma 5.24 Gnome 42 Debian 12 Kernel 6.1 systemd 252 KDE Plasma 5.27 Gnome 43</code></pre>

And first beta of proxmox 8.0 based on debian 12:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pve.proxmox.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Roadmap#Proxmox_VE_8.0_beta1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pve.proxmox.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Roadmap#Proxmox_VE_8.0_beta1</a>

The amount of effort put into Debian is truly impressive. I have used it for decades and it has been remarkably stable. Use the stable release with unattended-upgrades and it&#x27;s almost zero-maintenance.<p>Also, an estimated 96.3% of packages are built reproducibly for amd64.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tests.reproducible-builds.org&#x2F;debian&#x2F;bookworm&#x2F;index_suite_amd64_stats.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tests.reproducible-builds.org&#x2F;debian&#x2F;bookworm&#x2F;index_...</a>

Had to reinstall ubuntu 3 times already since the beginning of this year and thus switched to debian, hopefully I&#x27;ll be able to settle in for a while

A bit offtopic... are there any distros besides PoPOS that comes with the proprietary Nvidia drivers preinstalled? I tried to use (live image) Debian on an RTX 4070 PC and nothing worked just black screen after GRUB. PoPOS works out of the box but honestly I&#x27;d prefer something more simple as Debian.

Testing this out in a VM. I want to move away from Ubuntu (honestly, from SNAPs)

I&#x27;ve was an inveterate distro hopper, but finally settled on Debian because of its stability. Its not the most user friendly but when you get it up and running &quot;it just works&quot;. Debian really is fantastic achievement in software.

Fantastic! Can’t wait to upgrade my servers and desktop. Debian is an absolute marvel.

But it&#x27;s &#x2F;not&#x2F; released though. Their own news section mentions that cd images are still being built, which seems like something that should have happened already. There&#x27;s nothing but 11.7 available for download.

It is amazing how this group of volunteers create the foundation for many more commercial Linux ventures and use by billion-dollar companies.<p>A lot of end users of different distros do not even know that Debian is the foundation. I will as go as far as to say Debian had solved a lot of the hard issues and then other sprinkle it. (Probably not a popular view)<p>Anyways thanks to all the Debian team members. Your work ought to be better known.

The gift that keeps on giving, runs perfect on my headless 10-year old gaming-PC turned server in the basement.

Congrats! Been using it on a 2017 Thinkpad X270 with MATE. Everything works perfectly. Honestly might not be the &quot;flashiest&quot; distro but does the job perfectly well. And personally I always recommend it to people new to Linux.

Heck yes. Best distro of the best OS on the planet. I look forward to upgrading.

Just upgraded my Debian WSL distro and the experience couldn&#x27;t have been more anti-climatic – I had to double-check lsb_release to make sure I&#x27;d actually upgraded, it was that seamless.

&gt; The new systemd-resolved package will not be installed automatically on upgrades as it has been split into a separate package. If using the systemd-resolved system service, please install the new package manually after the upgrade, and note that until it has been installed, DNS resolution may no longer work as the service will not be present on the system.<p>will installing over the internet work without DNS resolution?

For those wanting to try this out note that the download links in this post are still giving the previous Bullseye (11.7) release at the moment.

Wow, and it even comes with the very latest KDE Plasma 5.27.5. Quite rare for a stable Debian and makes it more up to date than PopOS. Awesome.

I installed -rc4 on a new work laptop and it&#x27;s super nice.<p>I have some gripes about the installer&#x27;s partitioning tool but I suspect that it would have been fine if I was willing to reboot a couple more times. The laptop was locked down and I needed someone to type the BIOS password every time I wanted to boot off the USB stick.<p>I wanted 4k blocks all the way down but got stuck with 512b sectors.

What a weird announcement. It says &quot;<i>To install Debian 12 bookworm ... you can choose from a variety of installation media types to Download...</i>&quot; and &quot;<i>If you simply want to try Debian 12 bookworm... you can use one of the available live images</i>&quot; as if it were all available, but in fact the Debian 12 images are <i>not</i> ready.<p>It feels like the blog post was written before images were created, but they forgot to add a comment saying <i>when</i> it&#x27;ll be available for download and published anyway.<p>I understand by the comments that the apt repos were already updated, so you could install bullseye 11.7 and upgrade to 12 in the OS, but seems a convoluted way to do it. I guess I won&#x27;t be trying out 12 this weekend.

Didn&#x27;t expect for shiny-server to be mentioned so prominently. I might actually give Debian a shot for my personal machine. The five years of updatea sounds great, the LTS option is the main reason why I went with Ubuntu so far.

Finally. I migrated from the snap-cursed Ubuntu to Debian. I have been running Bookworm since last summer, and now I can stay in the stable distribution until I really need a new version of some software. Should not happen too soon.

&gt; The overall disk usage for &quot;bookworm&quot; is 365,016,420 kB (365 GB)<p>Time to flex new SSD drive and install ALL the packages. Of course, I&#x27;ll do it a bit later, when downloads will get back to normal levels.

Congrats and major props to the Debian community! Running Debian in vm’s is such a pleasure, very fast boot times, rock solid, easy install. In contrast recent ubuntu installs have only given me problems.

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;X9B5kFb.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;X9B5kFb.png</a> &lt;-- 365 Go (or should that read 365 Mo?)

All my VMs are Debian. Thanks a lot to everyone involved.

Nice! Debian just works, since decades. Except when you break it yourselves or update Nvidia drivers.

I&#x27;m not a Linux expert, I just want an OS that works well, and that&#x27;s debian for me. Now, how do I upgrade? Just apt upgrade? Does it matter that I have i3wm instead of whatever the default is?

This is great news! I really like Debian as a docker host for self hosting since it doesn&#x27;t have a lot of fluff. The old package versions do cause occasional problems though...

Do you recommend switching from Ubuntu TLS to this one? Even to a heavy LXC and multipass user?<p>What had kept me on Ubuntu so far has been their out of box laptop support (I.e. WiFi drivers).

This is a Real Hacker News<p>Yeeei My favorite Fast Linux distro keep going !!!<p>Congratulations

Does anyone know if Bookworm includes the Ubuntu-Mate version of the Mate desktop?

The dnscrypt-proxy package doesn&#x27;t exist any more?

Have they released netinst images yet, can only see 11.7

Finally with init system alternatives or do they still shove systemd down our throat (if so I&#x27;ll stick to devuan gnu&#x2F;linux instead)?