Tesla’s Autopilot involved in far more crashes than previously known

The real number may be far higher.<p>Somebody bothered to make website to track Tesla deaths and Tesla Autopilot related deaths.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesladeaths.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesladeaths.com&#x2F;</a><p>Current count is 33 for Autopilot related deaths.<p>Last time I cross referenced incidents it was accurate, but that was a while ago.

What exactly are the main claims being made here? On a skim I don&#x27;t think I saw anything to support the headline. I did see that they were suggesting the rate of crashes was rising quickly in the past year, which seems believable.

I&#x27;m wondering about the school bus story here, as a non-USA person. Does the school bus display flashing warning lights to indicate that a child is crossing in front of the bus while it is stationary? Seems like a dangerous situation (that the driver should have slowed for). Is crossing in front of the bus really safer than making the child cross after the bus has departed?

They cite an incident there where the driver didn&#x27;t see the motorcyclist... if that&#x27;s the case its hard to see how this case would be on Tesla

How does this compare to Tesla’s FSD? AutoPilot is just lane keep assist plus intelligent cruise control (like, cruise with distance assist according to the car in front of you), but most new cars these days have something comparable. FSD is usually what we are more likely to debate on HN.

&gt; Authorities said Yee had fixed weights to the steering wheel to trick Autopilot into registering the presence of a driver’s hands<p>Wow, just wow. People, don&#x27;t do stupid stuff like this with security features.

&gt;The school bus was displaying its stop sign and flashing red warning lights, a police report said, when Tillman Mitchell, 17, stepped off one afternoon in March. Then a Tesla Model Y approached on North Carolina Highway 561.<p>&gt;The car – allegedly in Autopilot mode – never slowed down.<p>&gt;It struck Mitchell at 45 mph. The teenager was thrown into the windshield, flew into the air and landed face down in the road, according to his great-aunt, Dorothy Lynch. Mitchell’s father heard the crash and rushed from his porch to find his son lying in the middle of the road.<p>&gt;“If it had been a smaller child,” Lynch said, “the child would be dead.”<p>Elon should really stop the yearly Level 5 promises. Also, that driver should be charged with negligence.

...fixed weights to the steering wheel<p>I have to wonder what else the driver was doing. Perhaps sleeping or playing a game on their phone. I am glad they threw the book at this person and I am a Tesla fan.<p>I don&#x27;t own a Tesla yet but I will shortly. I now have a Subaru with EyeSight so I am accustomed to some extensive driver assistance. Especially on the highway but you still need to pay attention.<p>I do a lot of business travel and have rented multiple Tecla&#x27;s, a Chevy Bolt (no assist), and a Polestar (limited assist). The Tesla driver assist is outstanding but is still only assistance. It is not fully driving the car for you and you need to identify and pay close attention in more complex situations.

Are these numbers normalized for the number of cars and car-hours?

I don&#x27;t see how an absolute number is reportable. The only thing that&#x27;s important is crashes&#x2F;driving hour and then compare it human drivers.

Perhaps these Tesla APs have achieved sentience. Whether these are murders or suicides, idk.