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Tesla’s “Self-Driving” System Never Should Have Been Allowed on the Road

43 点作者 yoelo将近 2 年前

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ryanchoi51将近 2 年前
I’ve noticed when Tesla stock goes on a run, a wave of such articles and posts begin appearing. This particular posters history only posts about Tesla in a negative light.
tristanb将近 2 年前
Im so fed up with this click garnering nonsense. I've had two teslas, and driven probably 200k miles on them since 2018, the majority of freeway miles on autopilot. How many times has autopilot created a dangerous situation? Zero. Zero times. Do I play with my phone and fall asleep while using it? No of course not. But it removes the cognitive load of making micro adjustments to the course of the vehicle. Has it done odd stuff? Yeah for a while it would brake for bridge shadows. Did this cause a ten car pile-up? No of course not, it was rectified by a tap on the accelerator. For me the issue is clear. Bad drivers are bad drivers, given any tool, they will remain idiots.
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lacker将近 2 年前
Taking their calculations at face value, they estimate the fatality rate of Tesla&#x27;s system as 11.3 deaths per 100 million miles.<p>That is more than a standard car, but it isn&#x27;t the most dangerous thing we allow on the road. For example, the fatality rate of riding a motorcycle is 31.64 deaths per 100 million miles.<p>source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.californiaaccidentattorneysblog.com&#x2F;california-motorcycle-accident-statistics&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.californiaaccidentattorneysblog.com&#x2F;california-m...</a><p>The per-mile risk of a self-driving Tesla is roughly the same (within the range of estimates this source gives) as the per-mile risk of riding a bicycle.<p>source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bicycleuniverse.com&#x2F;bicycle-safety-almanac&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bicycleuniverse.com&#x2F;bicycle-safety-almanac&#x2F;</a><p>It doesn&#x27;t really make sense to ban this new technology which is basically in the middle of the pack in terms of risk. Personally, I don&#x27;t have a Tesla, and I would be reluctant to use their self-driving technology. But I don&#x27;t ride motorcycles either. I don&#x27;t think we should ban either of those things; consenting adults should be allowed to take the one-in-a-million risk that is driving ten miles in a self-driving Tesla, just like they are allowed to ride motorcycles.
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ETH_start将近 2 年前
&quot;The American Prospect is devoted to promoting informed discussion on public policy from a progressive perspective.<p>**<p>Founded by Robert Kuttner, Paul Starr, and Robert Reich&quot;<p>Here is Robert Reich claiming that corporate profiteering is the &quot;structural driver&quot; of inflation:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;RBReich&#x2F;status&#x2F;1595880687344689152" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;RBReich&#x2F;status&#x2F;1595880687344689152</a><p>&quot;If inflation comes up at the dinner table tonight, don’t forget to draw attention to the deeper structural driver of inflation: the concentration of the American economy in the hands of a few corporate giants with the power to raise prices, even as they rake in record profits.&quot;<p>And not the five fold increase in the money supply between 2019 and 2021:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;M1SL" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;M1SL</a><p>This, by the way, is exactly what Latin American politicians claim:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;nanexcool&#x2F;status&#x2F;1463679262381199365?s=20" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;nanexcool&#x2F;status&#x2F;1463679262381199365?s=2...</a>
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Veserv将近 2 年前
This is a unsupported analysis. Despite the California DMV mandatory reporting requirements for autonomous driving systems (ADS) with a safety driver [1], FSD under open beta testing with a safety driver has been deliberately underclassified by Tesla to not qualify as a autonomous driving system to suppress disclosure of their raw usage data [2]. As the only entity with the raw information is the manufacturer which has a inherent conflict of interest, no robust untainted safety analysis is possible.<p>The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) does have a standing general order (SGO) [3] requiring the disclosure of all ADAS incidents [4]. However, Tesla redacts which system and version was in use in all reports citing proprietary information unlike other manufacturers which only redact in a small fraction of their reports. In addition, a cursory examination (filter to Report Type 10-Day Update) shows 749 Tesla incidents with 711 having unknown injury severity. This is distinct from &quot;No Injuries Reported&quot; where they know that no injury occurred; they only know for certain that nobody died in less than 5% of the cases. This is again in contrast to all other manufacturers combined which only have a total of 203 incidents of which only 63 have unknown severity. That is 5% known for Tesla versus 70% known for all other manufacturers, a 14x difference. The deliberate censoring of the incident information by Tesla makes it even more impossible to do a meaningful analysis.<p>So, not only is the denominator suppressed, even the numerator is censored. It is straight up impossible for any third party to do any analysis. As the default assumption with safety-critical systems is that they are unsafe, and it is literally impossible for any untainted safety analysis to be done, it is affirmatively unsafe until at a minimum they stop suppressing the incident and usage information that they are legally required to disclose.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dmv.ca.gov&#x2F;portal&#x2F;vehicle-industry-services&#x2F;autonomous-vehicles&#x2F;testing-autonomous-vehicles-without-a-driver&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dmv.ca.gov&#x2F;portal&#x2F;vehicle-industry-services&#x2F;auto...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thelastdriverlicenseholder.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;02&#x2F;17&#x2F;2022-disengagement-report-from-california&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thelastdriverlicenseholder.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;02&#x2F;17&#x2F;2022-disen...</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nhtsa.gov&#x2F;laws-regulations&#x2F;standing-general-order-crash-reporting" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nhtsa.gov&#x2F;laws-regulations&#x2F;standing-general-orde...</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;static.nhtsa.gov&#x2F;odi&#x2F;ffdd&#x2F;sgo-2021-01&#x2F;SGO-2021-01_Incident_Reports_ADAS.csv" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;static.nhtsa.gov&#x2F;odi&#x2F;ffdd&#x2F;sgo-2021-01&#x2F;SGO-2021-01_In...</a>