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SETI scientists to devise plan for lunar listening station

148 点作者 yk将近 2 年前

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TheBlight将近 2 年前
While I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s necessarily time to give up on classical SETI, it seems very unlikely we find contemporaneous civilizations interested in beaming radio back and forth. This idea seems more interesting to me: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;1908.08543.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;1908.08543.pdf</a><p>Along with combing the surface of the moon looking for existing impacts of potentially artificial objects.
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jmyeet将近 2 年前
SETI is not how we&#x27;ll find alien spacefaring civilizations.<p>Within 1000 years, barring some apocalypse, an incredibly conservative prediction is that we will be able to build permanent space orbitals. We already have sufficiently strong and readily available materials (ie stainless steel) to build O&#x27;Neil Cylinders at 2-4 miles in diameter and 10-20 miles in length that could house as many as a million people. These can be powered with solar collectors.<p>Build enough of these (ie millions) and you have a Dyson Swarm. With our Sun that can give our civilization upwards of 10^26 Watts of power to use (compared to our current estimated 10^11 Watts). This is also known as a Kardashev-2 (or K2) civilization.<p>There are a ton of advantages to this. While it may not be the route that every civilization goes, given it is relatively low tech and has massive advantages in living area and energy availability, it seems like this would happen at least some of the time.<p>These things would stand out from a huge distance because the only way to dissipate heat for a space orbital is to radiate it away into space. That has a wavelength determined entirely by temperature, which for any reasonable termperature range is infrared.<p>So you&#x27;d detect a Dyson Swarm from a huge distance away by its IR signature.<p>A galaxy of these (a so-called K3 civilization) would be visible from millions of light years away. A single star would be detectable now from a smaller distance but still a far bigger distance than any form of radio communication as you&#x27;d find via SETI.<p>The fact that we haven&#x27;t seen any evidence of this thus far in our galaxy leads many (including me) to think the most likely scenario is we are the only potential spacefaring civilizatin in our galaxy.<p>The JWST is actually a way better tool for finding spacefaring life than anything SETI has done or proposes.
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NegativeLatency将近 2 年前
200 million is about what the Very Large Array would Cousy in todays dollars, granted it’s not apples to apples but still quite amazing to think about.<p>As someone who hopes there’s other life out there we can communicate with this is exciting.
LatteLazy将近 2 年前
I think the assumption that advanced civilisations emit radio waves has been pretty much falsified at this point. We have all but stopped emitting anything detectable less than 100 years after we started.
p-e-w将近 2 年前
While I do share a certain romantic admiration for the grandeur of SETI&#x27;s goals, I have to agree with those who call this a waste of money and brainpower in our times.<p>The most ludicrous AGI apocalypse scenarios seem orders of magnitude more likely than finding conclusive evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence. A second <i>terrestrial</i> intelligence is about to emerge, and the consequences of that might conceivably be far worse than a literal alien invasion.<p>Whatever resources are available for speculative anticipation of encounters with non-human intelligences should surely be directed towards hypothetical AGIs, rather than towards hypothetical beings from Epsilon Eridani.
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ftxbro将近 2 年前
if they are reading the news these seti scientists must be so excited about how the government got some aliens and their spaceships
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miika将近 2 年前
I doubt SETI could detect even our own signals, when it’s encrypted digital data. I mean it’s just noise like any background signal..<p>Then, we people are very soon capable of communicating using quantum entanglement, which means it’s beyond wireless and you simply couldn’t tap into it with some antenna.<p>For these reasons I suspect that SETI is waste of money.
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mulcahey将近 2 年前
I recommend the elegant book “5 Billion Tears of Solitude”
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fnord77将近 2 年前
stop wasting money on this. The Great Filter is real, yo
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londons_explore将近 2 年前
The more one looks for aliens, the less worthwhile it is to look for aliens.<p>If nobody had ever thought to look before at the sky for any signs of aliens, then it would be worth a quick glance to see. But since people have been looking at the sky now for many hundreds of years, with increasingly advanced tech, and still found nothing, it might be worth scaling back the effort.
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nashashmi将近 2 年前
Why is it so important for them to figure out whether or not there is (intelligent) life out there that we can detect with our instruments?
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