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How Russia Went from Ally to Adversary

25 点作者 wouterjanl将近 2 年前

11 条评论

JumpCrisscross将近 2 年前
I wonder if we had implemented a Marshall Plan, together with Europe, for the former Soviet Union, namely Russia, would it have (a) been accepted and (b) worked?<p>The asset stripping and oligarchisarion we permitted in the early 90s isn’t quite the stuff of the Treaty of Versailles. But it certainly rhymes in that a vanquished power laid prostrate was left to the vultures.
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oneTbrain23将近 2 年前
Americans always eyeing to strip Russia of their resources. You can check out how much illegality with American troops selling just oil in Iraq and northern Syria. Russia has huge access to artic with methane ice reserve that exceeding multiple Saudi&#x27;s oil reserve. Russia has uranium, gold, iron, rare earths, and tons of other minerals exceeding multiple USA. There is simply no possibility of Russia viewed as ally unless USA itself fractured into multiple countries (in some eastern prophecies this is a possibility - even John Titor mentioned it in his timeline - read the version copyrighted in Library of Congress and not subsequent addons).
simonblack将近 2 年前
Two words: Wolfowitz Doctrine.<p>Note that the doctrine applies to <i>all countries external to the USA</i>. Which includes allies such as the EU.
eliotte将近 2 年前
&gt;By the logic of co-transformation, we urged brutal free-market policies on Eastern Europe, and then imposed them on ourselves. Having participated in the creation of the Russian monster, we are now forced to become monsters to battle it, to manufacture and sell more weapons, to cheer the death of Russian soldiers, to spend more and more on defense, both here and in Europe, and to create the atmosphere and conditions of a second Cold War, because we failed to figure out how to secure the peace after the last one.<p>&gt;The development of Russia in the post-Cold War period was not the result of a Western plot or Western actions. Russian officials chose, within a narrow range of options, how to behave, and they could have chosen differently. The Russian invasion of Ukraine, in February, 2022, was no more inevitable or foreordained than the U.S. invasion of Iraq, in 2003. Still, it’s worth asking what other course we might have followed.
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eliotte将近 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;HomWJ" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;HomWJ</a>
unnouinceput将近 2 年前
Russia was never an ally, at best was a frenemy.<p>Quote: &quot;On the summit’s first day, Gorbachev lamented the sad state of his economy and ...&quot;<p>Communist economy was a bankrupt one, based on pillaging, not by producing anything new and good. Their &quot;golden&quot; years, of 50&#x27;s and 60&#x27;s was based on actually pillaging all the Eastern Bloc countries and leave them poorer. In every single country the USSR imposed an export-import type of firms, that &quot;imported&quot; Russian stuff, old and outdated from the 20&#x27;s and 30&#x27;s which were valued like they were the latest and greatest and exported that country best resource (be it gold, oil or grain). Once those resources were pillaged so the USSR economic decline started.<p>For more than 4 decades this was slavery with extra steps. So yeah, the Russians are hated by every single former Eastern Bloc country, because we did not forget their heavy boot throughout of &quot;red enlightenment&quot; era.
senectus1将近 2 年前
They have never been Allies. They just had aligned goals for a while.
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expertentipp将近 2 年前
Once Russian laughing gas stops flowing, things turn out to be really grim actually. The entire Germano-Russian Stasi-KGB swamp pulls bodies like a fierce deity.
Yizahi将近 2 年前
I see Ruzzian apologists are in force here, deploying ROCKWELL WHATABOUTER 9000 at full power. Imagine employing an &quot;imperialist&quot; label in attempt to defend Ruzzia in 2023, lol. I wonder if they believe the stuff they write or is it just a mega prank which got out of hand.
NoMoreNicksLeft将近 2 年前
I&#x27;ve yet to see any evidence that they were ever an ally. It is true that they went from Soviet communism to whatever half-assed dictatorship&#x2F;oligarchy they have now, that change was real. But it was the same people who were our enemies, draped in different clothing... why would they have the warm fuzzies for us?<p>Maybe if Clinton hadn&#x27;t fucked up and had done a Marshall Plan for Russia, thing would be different.
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medo-bear将近 2 年前
I think it is worth asking questions from the Realpolitik [0] school. For example, what makes Russia objectively powerful in the international arena? Its military? Well, besides nukes and subs, not really. Its hold on natural resources like fresh water, energy, forests, etc? I think this is a far more interesting aspect. Even if Russia is run by the most human-rights-respecting government, what would it mean for the US to have a powerful independent Russia as a competitor in a world where necessary natural resources are becoming more and more scarce?<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Realpolitik" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Realpolitik</a>
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