That was fascinating, but there was absolutely no "challenging" happening.<p>I have the same feelings towards these two, as they express towards the Effective Altruist community later on, namely: I can't believe they are acting in good faith because they are so obviously disconnected from reality.<p>But this video convinced me that they aren't evil machiavelian geniuses, just crazed zealots who are getting swept along by the wider financial interests backing fossil fuels.<p>A few times you see them veer away from anything that requires government intervention, as their Objectivist philosophy has no answer for it, like air pollution.<p>I think they successfully avoided mentioning climate change once except a quick mention of how to debunk "climate catastrophe" while regularly dunking on Greta Thunberg and discussing a book about burning more fossil fuels. I mean that's an impressive level of topic avoidance.<p>Would be interesting to see him discuss the book with someone like Tony Seba, who belives in capitalism and tech, but thinks we have better options than fossil fuels and nuclear.<p>But I guess he will be mysteriously avoided in much the same way they avoided uncomfortable topics in this discussion.<p>Much easier to dunk on "extremist", "authoritarian" greens if you don't actually have any good arguments.<p>edit to add: he's one of those climate change deniers that denies being a climate change denier, which is always amusing to me:<p><a href="https://www.desmog.com/alex-epstein/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.desmog.com/alex-epstein/</a>