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Daniel Ellsberg has died

755 点作者 lgvln将近 2 年前

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lgvln将近 2 年前
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BeetleB将近 2 年前
When Chelsea Manning was arrested, Daniel Ellsberg would remind everyone that the stuff he leaked had a higher classification than whatever Manning leaked.<p><i>The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers</i> is a great documentary about him.<p>Fun fact: Mike Gravel was an Alaskan senator. When he heard Daniel had the papers, he convinced Daniel to send them to him. Then Gravel went on a filibuster to prevent funding of the Vietnam war, and he chose to read the Pentagon papers aloud in the filibuster. By doing so, he ensured that they would legally be accessible to the public, because they were now part of the congressional record.
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walterbell将近 2 年前
Daniel Ellsberg giving advice to Henry Kissinger about security clearances, in 1968, from his book &quot;Secrets&quot;, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.motherjones.com&#x2F;kevin-drum&#x2F;2010&#x2F;02&#x2F;daniel-ellsberg-limitations-knowledge&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.motherjones.com&#x2F;kevin-drum&#x2F;2010&#x2F;02&#x2F;daniel-ellsbe...</a><p><i>&gt; You will deal with a person who doesn’t have those clearances only from the point of view of what you want him to believe and what impression you want him to go away with, since you’ll have to lie carefully to him about what you know. In effect, you will have to manipulate him. You’ll give up trying to assess what he has to say. The danger is, you’ll become something like a moron. You’ll become incapable of learning from most people in the world, no matter how much experience they may have in their particular areas that may be much greater than yours.</i>
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isaacg将近 2 年前
I met Ellsberg when I attended a live recording of the podcast Philosophy Talk in 2019. It was called &quot;The Doomsday Doctrine&quot;, it was about the policy of mutually assured distruction. I remember he talked about the difference between &quot;their bomb is in the air, so we&#x27;re launching&quot; and &quot;their bomb has exploded, we&#x27;re launching&quot;. Politicians vacillate between the two, when history shows us that they are very, very different. Airplanes and bombers encourage the latter, while missile silos encourage the former. This makes missile silos a severe liability, as they encourage first-steike launches.<p>I remember talking to him briefly after the talk. It impressed me how decisive, opinionated, and well-thought-out he was, at his age.<p>He liked my T-shirt, which said &quot;Statistics means never having to say you&#x27;re certain.&quot;<p>I&#x27;m glad I got a chance to meet such an important and positive figure in US history.
isx726552将近 2 年前
If anyone has not read Ellsberg’s 2017 book “The Doomsday Machine”, I highly recommend it. It covers his work and knowledge regarding potential nuclear war within US policy which was the main reason he wanted to become a whistleblower. Within the book he discuses numerous problems with US command and control procedures for launching nuclear attacks and even calls the movie “Dr. Strangelove” a “documentary” (tongue in cheek) because of its satirical yet accurate highlighting of these issues. It’s a captivating, informative, and frightening book.
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317070将近 2 年前
OK, the media overwhelmingly mentions his activist achievements. But, can I point out it is the same Daniel Ellsberg as in &quot;The Ellsberg paradox&quot; [0]?<p>I have an urn with 30 red balls and 30 green balls. You can pick a color, and you get 10$ if you guessed the next ball I pull out of the urn correctly. Alternatively, I have another urn with an unknown amount of red and green balls in them. You could also choose to use this urn with a color of your choice, if you want?<p>Which of these 4 options do you pick?<p>It turns out that people overwhelmingly prefer the first urn. They have an aversion to epistemic uncertainty, even though from utility theory, all 4 options are equivalent. Even weirder, if we would have played this game repeatedly, the second urn is clearly preferable. Then why do we have this intuition?<p>The experiment from his paper is slightly different and (in my opinion) harder to understand, but the sketch above illustrates the same paradox between what utility theory tells us is the best decision, and what we intuitively decide.<p>Do note that he was working at the RAND corporation at the time, where they were running probabilistic simulations of the cold war, the so called Cold War games. (People were literally throwing dice all day to run the simulations of the various nuclear war scenarios). His paradox was a critique to that method, as we don&#x27;t actually know the probabilities involved in these nuclear scenarios, in the same way as we don&#x27;t know the amount of red and green balls in one of the urns.<p>Therefore, we might want to discredit decisions based on scenarios where we don&#x27;t have good estimates of the probabilities of the outcomes, in favour of scenarios where we do know them.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ellsberg_paradox" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ellsberg_paradox</a>
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derrasterpunkt将近 2 年前
My favorite story from Daniel Ellsberg is „The Limits of Knowledge“ in this Mother Jones article: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.motherjones.com&#x2F;kevin-drum&#x2F;2010&#x2F;02&#x2F;daniel-ellsberg-limitations-knowledge&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.motherjones.com&#x2F;kevin-drum&#x2F;2010&#x2F;02&#x2F;daniel-ellsbe...</a>
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jmclnx将近 2 年前
&gt;But on the eve of jury deliberations, the judge threw out the case, citing government misconduct, including illegal wiretapping, a break-in at the office of Mr. Ellsberg&#x27;s former psychiatrist and an offer by President Nixon to appoint the judge himself as director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation<p>Wow, never heard of this, I wonder if a Judge these days would do the same?
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dang将近 2 年前
It&#x27;s been years since I watched it but I remember thinking that <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mostdangerousman.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mostdangerousman.org&#x2F;</a> was a good documentary about Ellsberg. It also included his personal and family life in unusually interesting ways.
slantedview将近 2 年前
While Ellsberg is widely regarded as a hero, it&#x27;s important to remember that the only reason he escape prison is because the government mishandled his case, which led the judge to throw it out. That other whistleblowers have been demonized while he is (rightly) venerated shows there&#x27;s still a lot of bias and propaganda surrounding how we view whistleblowers.
sschueller将近 2 年前
Let us not forget that right now Assange is still roting in a UK prison and is about to be extradited to the United States. A discusting witch hunt against an individual which the US managed to turn into the bad guy in the publics view.<p>Shame on the United States and it&#x27;s allies enabling this grotesque injustice!
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drumhead将近 2 年前
Reading how the judge at his trial threw out the case because he was offered the role of fbi director by the Nixon administration to sway his mind makes me think how impossible it would be for a whistle blower to receive the same treatment today. Snowden would have been locked away for life if not found dead in his cell from &quot;suicide&quot;. The protection for whistle blowers is a sham unless they&#x27;re embarrassing the governments opposition now.
corbet将近 2 年前
I got to meet him once at a protest at the nuclear test site — back in those days when we were still setting off bombs in holes in the ground. Took a couple of pictures... <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;social.kernel.org&#x2F;notice&#x2F;AWl7MdCuvetRLGReEq" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;social.kernel.org&#x2F;notice&#x2F;AWl7MdCuvetRLGReEq</a>
enachtry将近 2 年前
I wonder. Following the latest advancements afforded to total surveillance as well as never before possible profiling-depth of people based on everything they&#x27;ve ever done since their teens, how will this change gov-level secretive organisations? Would someone like Ellsberg be weeded out even before his first interview or would he be detected and neutralized at the very first step outside the lines?<p>Gov can now scrutinize candidates for secretive organisations en masse for even the lowest positions and effectively weed out anyone who&#x27;s ever shown even a hint of dissent, morality or adherence to principles who&#x27;ve proven to be any kind of risk against total obedience.<p>Gov can now also monitor employees&#x27; every heartbeat, every step, sleep patterns, stress levels and every spoken word (literally true for all of these), let alone their actions.<p>The risk of getting someone like Ellsberg past the door, let alone at any meaningful level, can now be crushed at previously unthinkable values.<p>How would these improved, airtight, secretive organisations operate and what would be the consequences? It feels like all these advancements in tech placed us on a one way superhighway towards returning to empires, aristocracies, eternal ruling classes &amp; eternal commoners.
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arethuza将近 2 年前
I know this an odd thing to thank someone for, but his book <i>&quot;The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner&quot;</i> is the only book I&#x27;ve ever read that actually gave me nightmares.
garbagecoder将近 2 年前
Talk about the butterfly effect. The Pentagon Papers should’ve just embarrassed the Johnson administration but Nixon lost his mind. Watergate. Everything. Truly a pivotal historical figure.
Metacelsus将近 2 年前
Funny, I was just looking him up (since <i>The Doomsday Machine</i>) was mentioned on another site.<p>Meanwhile, Kissinger is still alive (and recently turned 100).
celtoid将近 2 年前
Ellsberg was one of the greatest Americans of my lifetime. He was a true believer working in the belly of the national security state and had the courage to both admit that he was wrong and to make his proof public.<p>&quot;We weren&#x27;t on the wrong side. We are the wrong side.&quot; -Daniel Ellsberg
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toomuchtodo将近 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Daniel_Ellsberg" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Daniel_Ellsberg</a>
jdoliner将近 2 年前
Ellsberg is in many ways to mold from which modern day whistleblowers were cast. Edward Snowden said in an interview recently that when he was debating internally about whether or not he should become a whistleblower, knowing the ramifications it would have for his life, Ellsberg was what gave him the courage to do so. It was nice to learn that while in exile Snowden was able to get connected with Ellsberg and develop a friendship with him. Unfortunately Snowden and other modern day whistleblowers seem to have suffered more than Ellsberg who got off on something of a technicality.
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vintermann将近 2 年前
I see that New York Times is careful not to mention Manning, or Snowden, or Assange, or indeed draw any of the lines to the present day situation - lines that Ellsberg himself tried so desperately to draw in the last months of his life.<p>In the book of Genesis, there is a part where Abraham haggles with God(!) trying to save the city of Sodom. If there&#x27;s 50 honest people, will you spare it? How about 45? 40? He gets all the way to 10. Famously, that wasn&#x27;t low enough.<p>I feel like Sodom lost one of the honest men covering for it today.
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jmount将近 2 年前
I saw Daniel Ellsberg speak at a Rotary event and got to talk to him later. Very humble and intelligent person. He said all he had done paled to what needed to be done about climate change.
hilbert42将近 2 年前
This is such sad news. Daniel Ellsberg showd extraordinary courage to do what he did. Few in his position would have exposed themselves for what they believed right.<p>What we need to take from his legacy is that if our democracies were in good health and functioning as they should then the Daniel Ellsbergs of this world would not have to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the common good.
all_usernames将近 2 年前
Not to state the obvious, but this would be a wonderful time to share Ellsberg&#x27;s story with someone in the younger generations.
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neonate将近 2 年前
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20230616192004&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;06&#x2F;16&#x2F;us&#x2F;daniel-ellsberg-dead.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20230616192004&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytime...</a>
ejb999将近 2 年前
as a society we have moved on from whistleblowers - now we lock them up or call them conspiracy theorists - all enabled by the corporate media who does nothing but the bidding of the three letter agencies who tells them what to say, when to say it, and how to say it.
photochemsyn将近 2 年前
The absolutely psychotic nature of what the American government was up to in the 1950s and 1960s was only touched on in the Pentagon Papers. Daniel Ellsberg certainly deserves a historical memorial for what he exposed to the public about the idiocies of the Vietnam War, but it was just the tip of the iceberg. For example, experimental biological warfare was a feature of the US attack on North Korea, and that program was originated in 1942 (*Merck Report) and expanded via information from Shiro Ishii (captured war criminal who turned over records of Unit 731, the Japanese biological warfare unit active in China, to US spies and hence to Fort Detrick.) The US biological warfare program was actively connected to the CIA&#x27;s MK-ULTRA brainwashing&#x2F;torture program which operated domestically during the 1960s, involving use of LSD and similar drugs to manipulate people (likely involved in the Charles Manson debacle). Biological warfare and chemical warfare testing exploded during the 1960s under JFK and Johnson, and was only (publicly) shut down by Nixon after the disastrous 5,000 sheep kill outside Dugway Utah via a VX gas oopsie.<p>They were all insane back then, and they still are trying to hide a lot of what they got up to back then from public scrutiny. Of course it didn&#x27;t end there, the 9&#x2F;18 and 10&#x2F;8 anthrax attacks walked out of US government programs aimed at replicating the Soviet biowarfare programs of the 1970s&#x2F;1980s, and out of those attacks came Project Bioshield... I think that gave Anthony Fauci&#x27;s career a boost, and led to financing of gain of function research in North Carolina and Wuhan, China, and of course chimeric virus recombination was a long-standing dream of the biological warfare establishment, though the methods they were trying to use to accomplish that in the 1980s were pretty sloppy compared to today&#x27;s CRISPR approaches.<p>Everything is connected, at some level. Keep leaking their dirty secrets, I&#x27;m going to go toast Ellsberg now.
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I_am_tiberius将近 2 年前
I think he was a truly good person.
DaniFong将近 2 年前
black line
hm-nah将近 2 年前
Rest In Peace hero.
ChrisArchitect将近 2 年前
Leaving in &quot;,Who Leaked the Pentagon Papers,&quot; from the title would have been helpful for those that don&#x27;t know
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RcouF1uZ4gsC将近 2 年前
Is seems like a bunch of old famous&#x2F;infamous political figures all died recently:<p>Ellsberg<p>Silvio Berlusconi<p>Theodore Kaczynski<p>Pat Robertson<p>Robert Hanssen<p>I know it is probably just a mind trick, but it feels weird
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kepler1将近 2 年前
Here&#x27;s a philosophical (?) topic I would love to hear opinions on the occasion of remembering Ellsberg&#x27;s contributions.<p>Some would say that the transparency of revealing the Pentagon papers caused us as a people for the first time (debatable of course) to not fundamentally trust that the government usually does the right thing.<p>(In the general public perception sense. There were and always would be groups discontent or not trusting the state was acting in their interests on specific issues. But this was a large scale violation of people&#x27;s beliefs, some might say.)<p>But for the first time (again, debatable), the government was shown to be covering up the national disgrace of the very important and big topic of Vietnam for face saving, and sacrificing lives in the process. And that this was just people at the top muddling through really important topics.<p>And this was important for a people to know, and understand that they could check government like this.<p>So... however --<p>I wonder, is there something such as <i>too</i> much transparency for a country&#x27;s people, in the face of the reality of who your international competitors are, in a modern information age?<p>When governments can control information, they are much more able to sweep certain things under the rug, unify a people with partial information, and embark on war, other issues that dismiss or hide the many layers of truth or actions. And every issue is always complicated by who it helps and hurts. In a huge democracy, there will always be someone hurt by some decision.<p>When you have competitor countries who are not committed to such whistleblowing, sharing of information, freedom of press, and their people are able to be unified towards some goals while smaller issues are swept under the rug. Is our country by comparison paralyzed from doing great things, because any great thing will have endless &quot;complainers&quot; once all the details are known because of our freedom of information and above mistrust of government?<p>Basically, is there conceivably a bad or unintended consequence of so much freedom of the press to check government? Has too much democracy been a hinderance (or will it be when some important issue presents itself) to the progress of a democracy?
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