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Review of Hetzner ARM64 servers and experience of WebP cloud services on them

277 点作者 novakwok将近 2 年前

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xrd将近 2 年前
I&#x27;m excited about arm in more places but my experience with arm and docker isn&#x27;t as easy as i expected<p>Is it just me? When I&#x27;ve started using arm more, I&#x27;ve noticed that docker images are often incomplete or behind the x86 release cycle.<p>I love the ease of wiring docker images together for all my services (corollary: never having to understand the myriad packaging issues with whatever language the service is written in, python, nodejs, etc).<p>But when I&#x27;m using an arm image, often it is not the same version as the latest on x86, or even worse, is packaged by someone random on the internet. If I were to install the JavaScript service myself, I could audit it (not that I ever do!) by looking into the package.json file, or reviewing the source code, or whatever. There is a clear path to reviewing it. But with a docker image from the Internet, I&#x27;m not sure how I would assert it is a well behaved service. Docker itself gives me some guarantees, but it still feels less straightforward.<p>I&#x27;ve packaged things for an arm container myself and it isn&#x27;t always exactly the same as for x86.<p>Is this just me? Am I doing it wrong on arm?
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throwaway81523将近 2 年前
TFA describes the E3-1230 as an 8 core server when it is actually a 4 core server with 8 threads. That means the ARM vs x86 per-core performance comparisons are off by a factor of 2. I stopped reading when I noticed that. For cheap sustained compute, it&#x27;s hard to beat a Hetzner auction dedi.
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tmikaeld将近 2 年前
Great article, thanks for sharing!<p>We&#x27;re using Hetzners new ARM servers ourselves, to convert images to WebP (Yes, your company name is really confusing!) and they perform almost as good as the Hetzner AMD instances.<p>But since they&#x27;re so much cheaper, we can easily fire up many of them and use a load-balancer in front, saving a ton of money compared to dedicated servers.
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mpweiher将近 2 年前
Since moving to Apple Silicon, I&#x27;ve been wanting more ARM options in the cloud. Although it is possible to host x86_64 VMs, having fewer differences is obviously better.<p>I&#x27;ve been using Oracle&#x27;s free tier for a while, and it&#x27;s been OK. Performance-wise, my Objective-S and libµhttpd based web-server appears to be doing around 1800 requests per second, and held up fine to a HN hug of death.<p>Hetzner was far, far easier to set up, both from their console and via the API. Performance was comparable.
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mduggles将近 2 年前
I’ve been migrating workloads away from x86 and towards ARM on AWS and GCP since they’ve been available. This review does a great job of kinda giving you an idea of what you are gonna get as a platform, but if you are interested I strongly recommend the experience on any cloud provider.<p>While there was some work to benchmark and validate, the cost savings have been non-trivial. Plus this change happened as we were all switching to the M series Macs so ironically now our entire chain end to end is off x86.
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brian_cunnie将近 2 年前
I like the article, but I wish there had been an &quot;Abstract&quot; or &quot;Executive Summary&quot; at the top so that I&#x27;d be spared having to read the entire article to find out the results. I&#x27;d like to have seen something along the lines of the following:<p>&quot;We found Hetzner&#x27;s ARM64 offering, specifically the CAX21 with 4 cores, 8GB at $8.40&#x2F;month, to be a performant and cost-effective alternative to x86_64-based solutions.&quot;
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daneel_w将近 2 年前
According to Oracle&#x27;s documentation their Arm servers are not virtualized cores but instead actual on-core tenancy, referred to as OCPU instead of conventional vCPU.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.oracle.com&#x2F;cloud-infrastructure&#x2F;post&#x2F;vcpu-and-ocpu-pricing-information" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.oracle.com&#x2F;cloud-infrastructure&#x2F;post&#x2F;vcpu-and-...</a>
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nezirus将近 2 年前
Interesting read. I&#x27;d like to know more about alpine problems (even just to confirm my bias against it, unless space savings are the most important thing).<p>For me, Hetzner is mostly baremetal provider. They have dedicated RX line, and if you have base load, a couple of those could run it all (use hetzner cloud instances for scalling and failover)
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FlyingSnake将近 2 年前
This is a great article and it’s nice to see we’ve lots of alternatives to run ARM servers.<p>I ran the now defunct Scaleway ARM server mentioned in the article for several years. For €2,99 it was a surprisingly useful machine. I ran several projects (.net core) on it and it was quite good for those simple workloads. I looked for alternatives for a while but nothing turned up until Apple restarted the ARM revolution with M1.
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK将近 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been using a cax41 (16 cores) instance for numerical computations recently. Geekbench scores are 774&#x2F;10221, costs $0.04 hourly ($27 monthly). Perfectly stable. No throttling (probably not that popular yet hehe). For my specific program it&#x27;s 10% slower than my laptop&#x27;s 11980HK processor (8 threads, 16 hyperthreads).
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throwaway2990将近 2 年前
&gt; Hetzner CAX11, with a virtualized ARM64 processor, 42 cores, 4GB memory, priced at $4.91 USD per month, referred to as CAX11 for simplicity.<p>Haha I wish it was a 42 core for $4.91<p>Small typo for them to fix.
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qingcharles将近 2 年前
Wow, this is timely. I just bought their cheapest one last night (about $4&#x2F;mo) to play with and performance test it for ASP.Net Core, vs. their x86 boxes.<p>I tried to be ultra cheap and not buy a v4 IP but it appears Microsoft doesn&#x27;t have v6 IPs on all their download servers which is causing me pain.
archerx将近 2 年前
I have been developing on ARM servers for a while. I use Raspberry Pis and Tinkerboards as dev and staging servers and push releases to an x86-64 server on digital ocean. With docker it has been pretty easy, docker-compose usually finds the right packages for the CPU and it works quite well. I am curious about maybe trying on of the ARM servers on Hertzner and see how it compares.
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NorwegianDude将近 2 年前
Weird using a E3-1230 v3 in 2023, it&#x27;s over 10 years old. A similar modern low end CPU would be many times faster.
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foobarbazetc将近 2 年前
Their RX-220 servers are also amazing.<p>Ampere 80 core machines for $220&#x2F;m.<p>We use these for anything requiring a lot of threads.
kramerger将近 2 年前
Great no nonsense article!<p>I&#x27;m surprised how bad xeon scales to 8 cores. But isn&#x27;t the xeon instance the only one not running bare metal?? Maybe he is paying for 8 cores but gets only 2-4 physical cores?
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rankun203将近 2 年前
I’ve been using Hetzner’s EX line for some years, it’s super cost effective, until now I still can’t find any other provider with cheaper offerings.
mike503将近 2 年前
That&#x27;s interesting. I feel like I see benchmarks almost always showing ARM outperforming for all kinds of specific workloads. This is the first one I can recall showing it&#x27;s not as good performance-wise, however when you add the power efficiency, cost savings, it winds up being better overall.
spaniard89277将近 2 年前
In terms of software hiccups, for someone with little time to debug, is it worth the cost savings?
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CodesInChaos将近 2 年前
At least two links don&#x27;t work because they contain a closing parentheses.
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CathalMullan将近 2 年前
CAX11 looks like a great deal, especially with IPv4 disabled.
e145bc455f1将近 2 年前
How do you get your account verified at hetzner without sending a government ID to them?
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