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Dietrich Bonhoeffer on stupidity (1943)

94 点作者 celtoid将近 2 年前

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carbonguy将近 2 年前
After reading this, I&#x27;m also reminded of (among other things) one of the points that Paul Graham made in &quot;Lies We Tell Kids&quot;[1]:<p>&gt; You can&#x27;t distinguish your group by doing things that are rational, and believing things that are true. If you want to set yourself apart from other people, you have to do things that are arbitrary, and believe things that are false.<p>&quot;Stupidity&quot; seems so strongly associated with a motivation to identify with a particular group, in almost exactly the sense that I understand the old Sinclair quote about what a man will and won&#x27;t understand when his salary is involved, that I wonder now if &quot;stupidity&quot; as a phenomenon is JUST social signalling to demonstrate group association. Or does it has aspects beyond social conformity?<p>[1]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;lies.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;lies.html</a>
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brutusborn将近 2 年前
This idea is why I think we should take lunatic conspiracy theory hypothesis seriously (enough to study them): if the mainstream scientific community ignores them, they end up being ‘tested’ by the ignorant masses using unsophisticated methods.<p>For example, it’s hard to find papers on heterodox hypothesis for climate change where a few good papers showing null results would help convince a lot of skeptics (although of course there will always be skeptics who distrust all academic data and are immune to changing their mind).
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ttonkytonk将近 2 年前
<i>&quot;If we want to know how to get the better of stupidity, we must seek to understand its nature.&quot;</i><p>The philosophical attitude should be trying to understand. The way I think about it, if someone has been around for 1,000 years and yet is indulgently stupid then maybe I have some right to be angry with them, otherwise I should consider that they haven&#x27;t been around that long and are understandably susceptible to the double ignorance of thinking they know what they don&#x27;t.<p><i>&quot;Here we must come to terms with the fact that in most cases a genuine internal liberation becomes possible only when external liberation has preceded it.&quot;</i><p>This statement reflects a general observation present in Socratic (or Platonic and Xenophonic) philosophy that those with the most power and authority are basically by definition most responsible for changing things for the better. Without organization and attention people act on an individual level, and their apparent unreasonableness may be a concession to their limited circumstances.<p><i>&quot;The word of the Bible that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom declares that the internal liberation of human beings to live the responsible life before God is the only genuine way to overcome stupidity.&quot;</i><p>&quot;God&quot; could be replaced with &quot;Nature&quot; for those of a modern, skeptical bent, but nevertheless can combine a humility resulting from an awareness of the limits of human knowledge with a confidence in greater meaning in virtue of the existence of humanity and the ordered cosmos itself.
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crazydoggers将近 2 年前
Just today I was listening to Consider This on NPR (transcript [1]) about the increase of election worker harassment. It&#x27;s quite scary the level things have gotten, with serious death threats, harassment, vandalism, even one election worker&#x27;s dog being poisoned.<p>What we still haven&#x27;t come to grips with is that the internet and the information age have made propaganda and the ability to sway large swaths of the &quot;stupid&quot; (which I would more accurately call the uninformed credulous) exceedingly easy. Network effects cause this mob behavior to accelerate much more rapidly than before.<p>In Carl Sagan’s <i>The Demon Haunted World</i> [2], he starts his book with an account of what Dietrich here would call the &quot;stupid&quot;, a taxi driver that begins to question Carl in earnest about all sorts of conspiracies.<p>Carl shows through this exchange that it&#x27;s not that people are stupid. Often many of the credulous are very intelligent, and curious. But what has happened is that our society has failed to teach critical thinking across the board, and has also failed in its ability to democratize education in a way the reaches everyone equally.<p>Public schools have been a failure in teaching critical thinking. Teachers are not versed or required to have standards in critical thinking skills. Our society also lacks a focus on childhood mental health, so children the most at risk often can&#x27;t even begin to benefit from school, and will continue down the same paths as their parents. And so we are left with a perpetual problem that continues generation to generation.<p>If we fix our education and mental health systems, I believe a lot of the worlds problems will follow.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2023&#x2F;06&#x2F;20&#x2F;1183289840&#x2F;election-workers-are-already-being-threatened-theyre-worried-about-2024" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2023&#x2F;06&#x2F;20&#x2F;1183289840&#x2F;election-workers-a...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark-ebook&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B004W0I00Q&#x2F;ref=sr_1_1?crid=2DOZ38JK66SXJ&amp;keywords=the+demon+haunted+world+carl+sagan+kindle&amp;qid=1687315364&amp;sprefix=the+demon+haunted+world+carl+sagan+kindl%2Caps%2C142&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Da...</a>
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wrp将近 2 年前
&gt; <i>Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.</i><p>Is it likely the current tone of American political discourse is a result of so many taking this attitude and assuming their political opponents must all be stupid?
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Michelangelo11将近 2 年前
&gt; In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with a person, but with slogans, catchwords and the like that have taken possession of him.<p>Just so -- it&#x27;s as if you&#x27;re debating with the ideology itself, really.
kova12将近 2 年前
&gt; There are human beings who are of remarkably agile intellect yet stupid, and others who are intellectually quite dull yet anything but stupid.<p>Curiously, this also matches my observation. I was and still am quite puzzled as to why that is
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Woodi将近 2 年前
Piece looks pretty explanatory - stupidity looks connected to societies being hacked by &quot;memes&quot; :)<p>But personally I think that stupidity can be acquired in other way too - by anti-social acts like stealing or killing - some pathways in brain shoots down and some thinks start to be considered absurd and joke, literally logical deduction starts to giving other results... For example &quot;justice&quot; is common victim. Maybe it is psychological reaction but for sure it is life changing if you suddenly can&#x27;t understand &quot;bigger picture&quot;...<p>Another common stupidity system is concentrating on what you feel and only on that, making it compass of your life... It&#x27;s complicated because &quot;feelings&quot; are part of biological instructional and self-preservation mechanism.
shusaku将近 2 年前
People love Bonhoeffer quotes. Stick it in the right place, and you get to subtly call your opponents Nazis without someone being able to call you out on Godwin&#x27;s law
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IAmGraydon将近 2 年前
Ah yes, the rhetoric by which a conspiracy theorist convinces themselves that they&#x27;re a genius and everyone else is stupid. Keep upvoting that sweet confirmation you so desire. Just take a look at the OP&#x27;s past posts and you&#x27;ll see exactly what I mean.