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Eating microwave popcorn increases the level of PFAS in body (2022)

388 点作者 SomaticPirate将近 2 年前

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InvaderFizz将近 2 年前
Best popcorn you can make is cheap and easy cleanup.<p>Take one large pot (the kind that holds like 10qts).<p>Cover the bottom with kernels.<p>Add a bit of oil, basically just enough to swirl and have everything covered in an oil sheen, not enough to have them submerged.<p>Cover, put on high (I use gas). I like to suspend a paper towel between the lid and the rest of the pot, absorbs excess oil and water.<p>Once popping slows, turn off the stove. Dump popcorn into large mixing bowl.<p>Toss 1&#x2F;8 cup butter in the hot pot, melt the butter with residual heat.<p>Pour popcorn back in and toss to get the popcorn evenly lightly buttered, transfer back to the mixing bowl.<p>Salt(I prefer a salt grinder) and toss, add a bit of grated Parmesan and toss.<p>There should be less than 10 unpopped kernels, no burned popcorn at all.<p>Cleanup is a wipe down of the large pot with the moisture capture paper towel.
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DoingIsLearning将近 2 年前
Reminder that PFAS is so pervasive that researchers can&#x27;t design studies with a proper control group. i.e. they virtually cannot find anyone in the world without PFAS in their blood.<p>Dupont&#x2F;3M did (and continue to do) a level of harm on par with CFCs and leaded gasoline, with complete regulatory impunity.<p>At some point the ICC needs to extend the crimes against humanity&#x2F;nature to something like crimes against Human Health.
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eadler将近 2 年前
The article does not cite or link to the study.<p>&gt; The researchers found that people who ate microwave popcorn every day over the course of a year had levels of PFAS that were up to 63% higher than average.<p>As far as I could tell the relevant study [1] merely finds association rather than causation. This is often the best you can do in the nutrition field though. I have not yet read through the entire contents.<p>[1] Herbert P. Susmann, Laurel A. Schaider, Kathryn M. Rodgers, and Ruthann A. Rudel. 2019. Dietary Habits Related to Food Packaging and Population Exposure to PFASs. Environmental Health Perspectives 127, 10 (October 2019). DOI:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.1289&#x2F;EHP4092" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.1289&#x2F;EHP4092</a>
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philshem将近 2 年前
Let&#x27;s not forget about the butter flavoring, aka Diacetyl:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;niosh&#x2F;topics&#x2F;flavorings&#x2F;exposure.html#:~:text=Diacetyl,plant%20initially%20investigated%20by%20NIOSH" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;niosh&#x2F;topics&#x2F;flavorings&#x2F;exposure.html#:~...</a>.<p>&gt; In a plant where workers with uncontrolled exposures to butter-flavoring chemicals in microwave popcorn production had rapidly developed severe, irreversible lung disease, increased ventilation and isolation of flavor sources in mixing, holding tanks, and microwave popping decreased the risk for most workers.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC3115208&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC3115208&#x2F;</a><p>&gt; Man Wins $7 Million In Suit Claiming Microwave Popcorn Caused Lung Disease<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;sections&#x2F;thesalt&#x2F;2012&#x2F;09&#x2F;20&#x2F;161489994&#x2F;man-wins-7-million-in-suit-claiming-microwave-popcorn-caused-lung-disease" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;sections&#x2F;thesalt&#x2F;2012&#x2F;09&#x2F;20&#x2F;161489994&#x2F;ma...</a>
leetrout将近 2 年前
Something I learned a few weeks ago:<p>Put 1&#x2F;3 cup kernels in a large brown paper lunch bag and fold the top down several times. Microwave as normal, bag standing up, listening for pops to slow down. Air pops in the bag with no issues.<p>Salt (and ghee) after you dump it in the bowl.<p>I have stopped using my whirlypopper.
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sideproject将近 2 年前
An oncologist in my family anecdotally told me how her patients are getting younger and younger - speculates (with research) that lots of food chemicals might be contributing.<p>Since the beginning of this year, our family has been much more conscious of the ingredients in the food labels. Lots of additives with many different numbers. We&#x27;ve been trying to get back to more natural things with less numbers. We bought breadmaker and started making our own bread (fun and messy). Bought a second hand ice cream maker (fun, tedious, but yum). Never knew how simple popcorn making was! Lots of colours of vegetables, home-grown spring onions. Our grocery bills on vegetables and fruits went up sharply. But it went down on crackers, chocolates and other things sharply.<p>I don&#x27;t feel anything - but it helps me to think that I&#x27;m eating less numbers.
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tabiv将近 2 年前
Recently my wife and I searched for a drinking water filter that would remove PFAS. We found one!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.clearlyfiltered.com&#x2F;pages&#x2F;performance-data-for-the-clearly-filtered-water-pitcher-and-filter" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.clearlyfiltered.com&#x2F;pages&#x2F;performance-data-for-t...</a>
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Octokiddie将近 2 年前
&gt; A study published in 2019 analyzed a decade of data about the eating habits of 10,000 people, which was collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention between 2003 and 2014. Blood samples from the study participants were also collected. The researchers found that people who ate microwave popcorn every day over the course of a year had levels of PFAS that were up to 63% higher than average.<p>1. Is it too much to ask for a link to the original research in an article like this?<p>2. Given that every human alive has detectable levels of PFAS in blood, 63% elevation after eating every single day of the year doesn&#x27;t seem like a lot.<p>3. Those advocating popping in pans&#x2F;pots might want to consider what that pan&#x2F;pot is coated with.
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stevesimmons将近 2 年前
I&#x27;m surprised no one has posted The Muppets&#x27; Swedish Chef&#x27;s instructions for making popcorn:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=B7UmUX68KtE">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=B7UmUX68KtE</a>
resolutebat将近 2 年前
One more reason not to eat microwave popcorn: at least here in Australia, the prepackaged oil is invariably bottom-of-the-barrel palm oil, and there&#x27;s <i>lots</i> of it in there.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;mildlyinteresting&#x2F;comments&#x2F;13r7r3k&#x2F;what_microwave_popcorn_looks_like_inside_the_bag&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;mildlyinteresting&#x2F;comments&#x2F;13r7r3k&#x2F;...</a>
gnicholas将近 2 年前
Once I learned you can just microwave plain kernels in a paper bag, I threw out all of our microwave popcorn. Even low-salt&#x2F;low-fat is much saltier and richer than I prefer. Now with this PFAS news, it&#x27;s yet another reason to ditch the prepackaged popcorn.
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Trencin将近 2 年前
I feel this is somewhat misleading. One does not have to use these microwave popcorn bags, I have cooked popcorn in a microwave using a normal glass bowl, albeit covered with a plate. No oil required.
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QuadrupleA将近 2 年前
Stovetop is super easy - saucepan, some kernels, some oil, put the lid on. Low to medium heat til popping stops. Add some salt.<p>Also incredibly cheap.
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riffraff将近 2 年前
&gt; people who ate microwave popcorn every day over the course of a year had levels of PFAS that were up to 63% higher than average.<p>You&#x27;re probably fine if you have microwave popcorn once a fortnight, tho as other said you can use a pan or pot just fine.
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camhart将近 2 年前
Microwave popcorn (in the bag) is garbage. I found I much prefer using a silicone popper [1], and then adding my own butter&#x2F;salt to it. Tastes just like when I use an air popper. Since that approach doesn&#x27;t use the popcorn bag, would it then be free from PFAS?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Proper-Popper-Microwave-Collapsible-Dishwasher&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B07Z5SPRWM&#x2F;ref=asc_df_B07Z5SPRWM&#x2F;?tag=hyprod-20&amp;linkCode=df0&amp;hvadid=385178004433&amp;hvpos=&amp;hvnetw=g&amp;hvrand=18340631524778086072&amp;hvpone=&amp;hvptwo=&amp;hvqmt=&amp;hvdev=c&amp;hvdvcmdl=&amp;hvlocint=&amp;hvlocphy=1026178&amp;hvtargid=pla-848346778470&amp;psc=1&amp;tag=&amp;ref=&amp;adgrpid=81511523994&amp;hvpone=&amp;hvptwo=&amp;hvadid=385178004433&amp;hvpos=&amp;hvnetw=g&amp;hvrand=18340631524778086072&amp;hvqmt=&amp;hvdev=c&amp;hvdvcmdl=&amp;hvlocint=&amp;hvlocphy=1026178&amp;hvtargid=pla-848346778470" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Proper-Popper-Microwave-Collapsible-D...</a>
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ksaj将近 2 年前
Is it the microwaves effect on the popcorn, or the fake butter that might cause &quot;popcorn lung&quot; if the fumes get inhaled, getting modified into PFAs by microwaving?<p>If it&#x27;s the first, I&#x27;d expect almost everything you nuke to be at least a risk of PFAs. If its the second, that&#x27;s easier to deal with by avoiding fake popcorn butter.
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qwertox将近 2 年前
&gt; My kids eat microwaved popcorn almost every night. Should I be worried?<p>Wouldn&#x27;t they risk getting obese?
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throwaway892238将近 2 年前
Make oil-free microwave popcorn by buying a collapsible silicone bowl, filling it with kernels, and nuking it for 3 minutes. Low calorie snack, no mess, no cleanup. I find salt sticks to it best afterward by sprinkling with a little water.
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robert_no_robot将近 2 年前
I believe that people who eat microwave popcorn have higher PFAS levels as the study suggests.<p>I&#x27;m a bit skeptical about microwave popcorn increases PFAS as the study doesn&#x27;t really answer this question. People eating microwave popcorn might be different from those who don&#x27;t eat it and the real source could be something else.<p>But I&#x27;m only a bit skeptical as it sounds plausible that the manufacturers probably use PFAS-contaminated surfaces in the production.
smelendez将近 2 年前
Fast food also. Not shocking since it’s all served in grease-blocking packaging.<p>It’s always depressing to eat inside a fast food restaurant, where they wrap all of your food in chemically treated packaging you almost immediately discard since it’s presumably cheaper and simpler than having washable dishes.
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daneel_w将近 2 年前
The Swedish brand of &quot;micropop&quot; I buy every now and then has a label on the box stating that the bag is made without perfluorated substances. I have no means of testing it, but I believe them.
handedness将近 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20230622235711&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.uclahealth.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;eating-microwave-popcorn-increases-the-level-of-pfas-in-body" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20230622235711&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.uclah...</a>
SethMurphy将近 2 年前
Try the stovetop method with preferred oil and then drizzle honey before heating. Higher risk of burning, more shaking is needed. When popped, lightly salt. Make sure to rinse the pot with water while still hot to not allow sticky burnt sugars to get solidified for an easier cleanup.
smallerdemon将近 2 年前
Truly, microwave popcorn is atrocious for all sorts of reasons.<p>As top vote getting comment points out, regular popcorn is SO easy and SO much better. I have no idea why anyone wants to make microwave popcorn when the regular way is just as easy, taste better, and in now demonstrably healthier.
AlbertCory将近 2 年前
+1 to all the old school recipes in here. Mine is slightly different, but no arguments. The dog gets excited because he knows he&#x27;s getting some.<p>Microwave popcorn is an abomination, suitable only for annoying your fellow office workers. Especially if you burn it.
k8si将近 2 年前
Certain brands (e.g. SkinnyPop) advertise their bags as &quot;chemical-free&quot; (SkinnyPop claims their&#x27;s is free of PFOAS). Can anyone help me understand&#x2F;verify these kinds of claims?
mgrund将近 2 年前
Some brands do use PFAS free bags and have for a while though.
wkat4242将近 2 年前
Ok this is a bit worrying indeed. I have to say I hardly ever eat that stuff, just because it&#x27;s not even that nice. And it&#x27;s full of hard fat.
poulsbohemian将近 2 年前
I’m kinda curious - why microwave popcorn when an air popper or stove top is so stinkin’ easy? Makes great popcorn and you can control the flavorings
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FiddlerClamp将近 2 年前
I use a reusable flexible plastic bowl and popcorn from a jar I pour into it - inside the microwave. Wonder if that&#x27;s just as harmful.
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im3w1l将近 2 年前
Is pfas intrinsic to microwave popcorn? I&#x27;m inclined to think that there is one or a few brands that is responsible.
MagicMoonlight将近 2 年前
Why has fertility halved we ask as we drink the plastic water.<p>One day this will be the “why did they put lead in toys” of our period
AHOHA将近 2 年前
I just buy corn and pop them naturally with popcorn machine, I don’t add anything, and it’s good and healthy!
wly_cdgr将近 2 年前
Also those sharp little bits always get stuck between your teeth and it&#x27;s suuuuuuper annoying
firecall将近 2 年前
&gt; My kids eat microwaved popcorn almost every night. Should I be worried?<p>Every night?!<p>Well yes…
hackernoteng将近 2 年前
we use an old fashioned stove top metal popper with a hand crank to stir it. use a bit of organic coconut oil and organic popcorn kernels and salt. its very easy to do.
mensetmanusman将近 2 年前
Prozac, Lipitor, and Flonase are also PFAS used in the body.
lost_tourist将近 2 年前
Mixing plastic and high temps is a bad idea in general.
davidgatti将近 2 年前
I think the problem is with the popcorn and not the waves ^_^
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chrischen将近 2 年前
Is it possible to substitute the PFAS with a wax coating?
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technick将近 2 年前
Well crap....
seydor将近 2 年前
why would you eat popcorn after the age when you become conscious of food anyway
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Gordonjcp将近 2 年前
What&#x27;s PFAS? &lt;reads article&gt; Oh, something with a scary-sounding name that Californians can be frightened of, like hydrogen hydroxide.