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The downfall of National Geographic

115 点作者 4monthsaway将近 2 年前

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ethbr0将近 2 年前
To me, the spirit of National Geographic magazine was carried forward into their <i>Adventure</i> magazine, which was sadly under-advertised.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;National_Geographic_Adventure_(magazine)" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;National_Geographic_Adventur...</a><p>It ran from 1999 - 2009, and put out exactly the National Geographic content you&#x27;d expect.<p>Expedition-focused, with interesting stories and details about places around the world.<p>Sadly, I can&#x27;t find an archive of their articles. They seem to be scrubbed from the main Nat Geo site?<p>But here&#x27;s a general gist of the type of publication it was: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thegreatestbooks.org&#x2F;lists&#x2F;17" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thegreatestbooks.org&#x2F;lists&#x2F;17</a><p><i>Edit:</i> A peek at an anthology: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.google.com&#x2F;books?id=Pb8_ASogrbsC&amp;printsec=frontcover" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.google.com&#x2F;books?id=Pb8_ASogrbsC&amp;printsec=fron...</a>
hospitalJail将近 2 年前
This isnt exclusive to NG.<p>This phenomena exists for seemingly every IP. I&#x27;ll give video games as an example because it seems so clear cut and many people experienced this cycle already.<p>&gt;A company starts out relatively small and is able to turn a profit or attract investment. They continue to be relatively unknown.<p>&gt;The company releases their first breakout hit (Halo, Morrowind or Oblivion, Zelda OOT). The employees who worked on this have been at the company for about 5-10 years.<p>&gt;The employees of the company are excited about how their hard work paid off, and are excited to expand on their previous success with their coworkers and teams. Their second hit is on par, or exceeds the previous release. (Halo 2, Oblivion or Skyrim depending on if you though Skyrim was a great game, Zelda Majoras Mask) The original employees mentioned now have worked at the company for 10-15 years.<p>&gt;The downfall begins, between poaching, rivalries, promotions, opportunistic new hires, the teams are transformed.<p>&gt;The next release has mixed reviews. The hype machine and the backscratching between reviewers and producers(Driver3 scandal as a proven example) leads to favorable reviews despite something being wrong with the game. Many users are less impressed, but those obsessed with the IP at this point are fine to ignore flaws.<p>&gt;The following release is nothing like the breakout hit, but the IP fans continue to buy. At this point the company has been sold, teams have almost 0 original workers. These are different products, with the IP skinned over the top of them.<p>&gt;The IP fans continue to buy each product. Some will be optimistic, some will be pessimistic, doesnt matter, they will continue to buy.
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cagenut将近 2 年前
Nearly every single newspaper and magazine company has the exact same revenue and subscriber growth chart over the last 20 years. Its a roughly 30-degree angle down and to the right, from a high around 2000 to todays near bankrupcy across the board. Everybody got laid off, everything is produced by freelancers hitting wordcount and postcount metrics by the hour. There&#x27;s nothing special about NatGeo here, Time, Newsweek, Vogue, Wired, across the board.<p>Even the digital upstarts ready to disrupt and replace them have all flopped now, having never actually had a plan beyond &quot;i dunno what if web pages instead?&quot;. Huffpo sold for a dollar, buzzfeed shut down its news division, vice went bankrupt, gawker got murdered, mic and ozy were scams. gizmodo jezebel and deadspin run into the ground by private equity. Vox limps along aimlessly, the atlantic is an insipid clickfarm.<p>The recent drama at reddit is essentially the end of this trajectory&#x2F;narrative. Magazines and local papers were places for communities to organize around and communicate with, we have subreddits for that (and other niche fora like the very one you and I are communicating on right now), but as the recent IPO related drama and layoffs have shown, there&#x27;s baaaaaaarely a business model there. Serving communities that used to support hundreds of magazines with tens of thousands of paying subscribers. HN only works because its a glorified content marketing strategy for the epicenter of the zirp&#x2F;vc bubble.<p>It makes sense that the internet changed everything. It makes sense that often the old things have to die for the new things to truly take over the ecological niche. The last 20 years has been the death of media (the content side) as a business. Theres not a ton of point in picking apart why any one given dinosaur like NG died. The internet-meteor did them all in.
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g8oz将近 2 年前
&quot;...And at the same time, the group that started the magazine, the National Geographic Society, which used to run on a budget of millions, now has 1.6 billion dollars in its piggy bank.&quot;<p>What on earth are they doing as a non profit to justify keeping that stash safe from taxation?
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lachlan_gray将近 2 年前
I found a heap of their magazines from the 60’s and 70’s in the recycling at my university, and boy are they a good read. I think one reason they used to be so good (speculating) was that the internet didn’t exist. It was a medium where you could regularly learn out about distant things like peculiar mountain goats or an arctic tribe and get a firsthand report of it. Now there’s no shortage of interesting things like that to read, so maybe it’s not a viable strategy for a print magazine.
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throwaway4311将近 2 年前
For National Geographic, I wonder if there is another dimension that isn’t talked about: Nudity<p>For a significant portion of time, National Geographic was the only culturally acceptable and accessible place in the United States one could see photographs of nude women (and men).<p>I would guess there were millions of boys across multiple generations in the United States who saw their fist photo of a nude woman in National Geographic.<p>Even in the otherwise prudish Bible Belt of the United States, where Playboy would be completely verboten, even the church pastor would have an entire bookshelf devoted to National Geographic.<p>Then with evolving social mores, Nation Geographic had to cut down on the nudity. In addition, nudity became very, very accessible because of the Internet. These two trends cut down on one of the hidden reasons people purchased National Geographic.
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JoeAltmaier将近 2 年前
For a fabulously wealthy national non-profit treasure, they sure have squandered their reputation. Instead of exploring those thousands of new buildings discovered by lidar in the Yucatan, they&#x27;re putting up articles about bug repellents, summer holiday destinations or cocktails before bed.<p>I think they&#x27;ve been hijacked by some media&#x2F;financial money-grubbing soulless web lizards, but hey maybe it just looks like that from the outside.<p>I wish big trusts like that (and like the Hewlett foundation) could be sued when they veer from their madate into ordinary base activities like hoarding money and fooling people into donating.
jgalt212将近 2 年前
&gt; The magazine is still well-read at a time when other magazines have lost subscribers or folded their print publications entirely. Through the end of last year, the magazine had more than 1.7 million subscribers, according to the Alliance for Audited Media, which audits publications.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;06&#x2F;29&#x2F;business&#x2F;media&#x2F;national-geographic-layoffs.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;06&#x2F;29&#x2F;business&#x2F;media&#x2F;national-g...</a><p>This unwind is MBA spreadsheet driven, not actual supply &#x2F; demand driven.
ncphil将近 2 年前
Visited DC in 2010 or so. Kids were eager to see Nat Geo headquarters. Turned out to be a big disappointment. Lots of empty spaces where displays had been. We were told they were renovating. Looks like they&#x27;ve now lost a lot of their experienced writers, but I wonder about the photographers and artists who were the real stars of the show. On one hand, it&#x27;s amazing they lasted this long against the Internet and digital media, on the other I can&#x27;t help but wonder if trying to run a knowledge resource like Nat Geo like a business no longer makes sense.
lordnacho将近 2 年前
Isn&#x27;t this the same as &quot;I&#x27;ll listen to the song, why buy the album&quot;?<p>NatGeo was basically a middle-brow collection of interesting stuff. Not every article was interesting to you, maybe you like animals, maybe you liked maps, maybe you liked pictures of some tribe. You&#x27;d read the article that excited you and perhaps squeeze a bit of juice out of the rest of it.<p>Nowadays I have HN. There&#x27;s a whole bunch of stuff, I can never read it all, there&#x27;s pictures in all the links, and there&#x27;s a few interesting articles each day that keep me coming back.<p>And it&#x27;s free.<p>What&#x27;s the point in buying a content aggregator when I can see a variety of stuff from Aeon&#x2F;Quanta&#x2F;bunch of blogs for nothing at all?
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andrewstuart将近 2 年前
National Geographic was a window into nature, knowledge and new worlds back in the days before the web.<p>The web is brimming with more new stuff than you can eat, which spells doom for NG.
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mercurialsolo将近 2 年前
Do you see more of this collapse of written media houses? With willingness to pay for media at an all time low + cost of production of writing going to near zero, the demise of online media publications is near inevitable.<p>Will we see a resurgence of a new form of personalized research replacing this void for which folks will be willing to pay for? Is there a need for intermediaries in the space? Does direct publishing and direct to consumer media and publications have a place?
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passwert将近 2 年前
Are there any alternatives? In german speaking countries we have GEO magazine, but IMO the quality is also decreasing every year.
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clsec将近 2 年前
In the early 70&#x27;s my grandparents gave me their collection of NG. It was complete from about 1920 to the early 1960&#x27;s when my grandfather retired from the Air Force &amp; built his own sail boat to travel the world. The discoveries I made, and the knowledge I gained, from that collection were awesome!
fhars将近 2 年前
At least the north american subcontient is safe now: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20040810221240&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jir.com&#x2F;geographic.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20040810221240&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jir.co...</a>
zagrebian将近 2 年前
&gt; With the advent of digital media, the meticulously curated, visually spectacular, and deeply researched articles of National Geographic appear to have fallen out of favor.<p>I’ve been reading NGM for decades. The content is still top notch in the latest issues. It’s as good as it’s ever been.
Fiahil将近 2 年前
In a recent French parody show, National Geographic was renamed _National Catastrophic_. It probably doesn&#x27;t help them that most of the content we see oversea is a remake of &quot;American white man vs Shark!!!!!&quot;
ObviousOutage将近 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;r5uHq" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;r5uHq</a>
lurquer将近 2 年前
Good riddance. I still remember when some degenerate Natl Geo photographer seduced my mother while he was up here taking pictures of bridges or some such nonsense.
crhulls将近 2 年前
There are interspersed comment saying the downfall started when they went woke. There is also similar interspersed pushback saying this isn’t true.<p>Here is an example, from 2016, which, regardless of your views, which does seem blatantly political.<p>They put a 9 year old trans child on the cover.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usatoday.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;news&#x2F;nation&#x2F;2016&#x2F;12&#x2F;19&#x2F;trans-girl-9-makes-history-national-geographic-cover&#x2F;95584058&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usatoday.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;news&#x2F;nation&#x2F;2016&#x2F;12&#x2F;19&#x2F;trans-...</a>
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beej71将近 2 年前
I&#x27;d love to see archive.org pick up a full collection. It looks like they have a handful.
jrh3将近 2 年前
NatGeo physical maps are still pretty awesome. We have their atlas too, which is really great.
reset2023将近 2 年前
what we need is a really good app for this magazine. As an early adapter I am passed the era of social media and really hoping&#x2F;looking for an alternative. Infinite scrolling that is not stupid and&#x2F;or negative.
DeathArrow将近 2 年前
I lost interest in NG since they dumbed content down and concentrated on political correctness and being on the &quot;right&quot; side of the political spectrum instead of providing interesting, deeply researched and meticulously planned articles and caring more for the scientific truth instead of the political truth.
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zaps将近 2 年前
Caption…
PaulHoule将近 2 年前
I had a subscription in the really 00’s which I canceled when they ran an ad on the back that visually suggested somebody would drive a Toyota SUV in a straight line from Los Angeles to the Grand Canyon.