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A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

118 点作者 jesterpm将近 2 年前

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mjb将近 2 年前
For comparison, this is between 4 and 5 times larger than the Osceola Mudflow (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Osceola_Mudflow" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Osceola_Mudflow</a>) that formed the 550km² of fertile plains around the south end of Puget Sound (near Seattle) and knocked a huge chunk out of Mount Rainier. If you drive from Auburn to Enumclaw, for example, notice how flat the land is and think about how that was hilly Cascade foothills and glaciated drumlins until 5500 years ago. The Osceola event was way bigger than Mt St Helens, and this one in the Himalayas was way bigger even that that.<p>Back-of-envelope, that Osceola event released about 10^19 Joules of energy*. The scale of these things is absolutely incredible.<p>According to my father, until around the time he was doing Geology at university (late 1960s), the consensus was that these kinds of events (and mass wasting more generally) were geologic processes that no longer happened (and hadn&#x27;t really happened throughout the Holocene). I don&#x27;t know the history in detail there, but it does seem true that only relatively recently we&#x27;ve had a real appreciation for how active Earth&#x27;s geology still is.<p>* 4e15 cubic centimeters of material, 2 g per cc mix of rock and ice, mean elevation change 1000m
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akiselev将近 2 年前
Before anyone gets excited, the landslide occurred in the 12th century or so :(<p>I was all excited to plan a rock hounding trip to the Himalayas. I even sent out the Sherpa bat signal (it’s a silhouette of me shaving a Himalayan yak), only to find out I’m eight hundred years too late.
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vient将近 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;oO0dC" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;oO0dC</a>
jmclnx将近 2 年前
&gt; As the rubble crashed down, the energy released would have been equivalent to around six times that of the Tsar Bomba<p>Interesting, wonder if this Approx 1190 event had a global impact.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Medieval_Warm_Period" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Medieval_Warm_Period</a><p>Seems that ended in 1250, coincidence ??
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bradrn将近 2 年前
Paper: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.1038&#x2F;s41586-023-06040-5" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.1038&#x2F;s41586-023-06040-5</a>
JamesLeonis将近 2 年前
&gt; Examining the surrounding cliffs for signs of a collapse, he noticed that a peak known as Annapurna IV offered a relatively smooth, steep face which seemed to fit.<p>I was interested in what the mountain looked like, and found a whole page dedicated to it [0]. In the picture of the west side you can see the steep face. The altitude map also has an unusually large flat area to the west of the mountain.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nepalhimalpeakprofile.org&#x2F;annapurna-iv" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nepalhimalpeakprofile.org&#x2F;annapurna-iv</a>
kabdib将近 2 年前
My dad attended college in the 1950s. I liked reading his old textbooks.<p>The geology texts that predate plate tectonics are . . . interesting. They really didn&#x27;t know where volcanoes and mountains came from.
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swader999将近 2 年前
Article didn&#x27;t mention it but lightning is a significant force in mountain erosion too.
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dendrite9将近 2 年前
The Sabche Cirque in question looks like a fascinating, and difficult place to explore. Check out narrow the exit drainage is!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;figure&#x2F;Deep-and-narrow-gorge-of-the-Seti-River-at-the-outlet-of-Sabche-Cirque-Avalanches-and_fig2_354413412" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;figure&#x2F;Deep-and-narrow-gorge-of...</a><p>This Nasa blog post has a lot of good pictures of the immediate area that helps with understanding the shapes of the mountains there. I initially didn&#x27;t realize just how choked down the drainage got. It seems like many cirques are described as having narrow exits but rarely are they this narrow.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;earthobservatory.nasa.gov&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;fromthefield&#x2F;2014&#x2F;01&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;earthobservatory.nasa.gov&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;fromthefield&#x2F;2014&#x2F;01...</a><p>Here&#x27;s an earlier discussion related to this one: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;cms&#x2F;asset&#x2F;b7f5337c-0f34-4fb5-a907-612e8c35ec09&#x2F;pap.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;cms&#x2F;asset&#x2F;b7f5337c-0f34-4fb5-a907-61...</a>
mint2将近 2 年前
An ancestral mount Shasta in California collapsed sending a debris flow 28 miles covering something like 675sq km
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Jun8将近 2 年前
I think the title is off: the theoretical limit of how high a mountain can be on a rocky planet of given size can be found by physical considerations. The geological and other factors come into play, too to make the practical limit much smaller than the theoretical one.
fractallyte将近 2 年前
I wonder if this is related (in a very large scale sense) to the sand pile model and self organized criticality...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Self-organized_criticality" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Self-organized_criticality</a><p>The sand pile model: if one builds a pile of sand, dropping onto it a small number of grains at a time, individual grains will slide down the slope - but there&#x27;s a critical angle at which any additional grains can trigger a catastrophic avalanche.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nautil.us&#x2F;the-math-of-the-amazing-sandpile-238320&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nautil.us&#x2F;the-math-of-the-amazing-sandpile-238320&#x2F;</a>
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mcdonje将近 2 年前
&gt;In geology, unlike business, nothing is too big to fail.<p>Nothing is too big to fail in the business world either. Or at least nothing should be. If a business is that important to the economy but it can&#x27;t keep itself afloat, something has gone horribly wrong on the business side, the government side, or both. Bailing out the business will probably not fix the underlying issues.
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ReptileMan将近 2 年前
I am always amazed how thin the biosphere is - 3km down in the water , 3 up in the air - so roughly 1&#x2F;1000 of the radius of the earth. And the vast majority of the biomass could probably be found in couple of hundred meters close to water level.
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varjag将近 2 年前
&gt; Enough rock fell off a Himalayan peak to bury Paris to the height of the Eiffel Tower<p>&gt; The falling mountain top would have displaced up to 27 cubic kilometres of rock—roughly enough to bury the entirety of Manhattan to about the height of the Empire State Building.<p>It&#x27;s paywalled then on but I assume it&#x27;s also enough rock to bury Dubai to the height of Burj Khalifa.
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placesalt将近 2 年前
Non-paywalled article:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2023&#x2F;07&#x2F;massive-peak-collapses-may-reshape-himalayas&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2023&#x2F;07&#x2F;massive-peak-collaps...</a>