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Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9.6Gbps wireless light

141 点作者 el_hacker将近 2 年前

26 条评论

ksec将近 2 年前
Oh FFS. So they approve 9.6Gbps Li-Fi aka IEEE 802.11bb, and the devices shown in the photo used inside a prototype is only capable of 1Gbps, but every article including one submitted last week said &quot;<i>100x Faster </i>&quot; [1] than WiFi at 224<i>GB</i>&#x2F;s or 1792<i>Gbps</i>.<p>And just like 802.11be and 802.11ax, I had to read up on the actual Spec again to understand WTF is going on instead of relying tech reporting. And this isn&#x27;t just a problem with reporting, the actual PR of Li-Fi cant even do half its job.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36707789">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36707789</a>
dragontamer将近 2 年前
IrDA above 115kbps is basically dead, and I don&#x27;t think anything beyond 4MBps is feasible (ie: months spent on an FPGA to handle all the issues)<p>I&#x27;m a big fan of using simplified IrDA in 2023 in hobby electronics. But I don&#x27;t see a smooth path to 9.6Gbps.<p>1Mbps to 10Mbps is already exhausting for me to think about.<p>--------------<p>Is there any industry chip with planned development to handle this standard? Finding a damn LED and Photodiode that is guaranteed faster than 20ns to feasibly handle 4Mbit is horrifying. Let alone the signal processing circuits (I think you need 20Mhz OpAmps which isn&#x27;t a 6001 or lm358 if you know what I mean) or FPGAs needed to handle this relatively low speeds.<p>Or are we doing some kind of multi-frequency multi LED thing? Are there any LEDs or Photodiode that can emit and detect such a narrow band? What are the sources of IR noise to mess with those frequencies?<p>-------<p>Oh, but 115kHz is plenty useful for a hobbyist and I highly recommend people playing with that.
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deepnotderp将近 2 年前
One day the use of self-accelerating beams (which can bend&#x2F;turn by themselves) may remove the line of sight limitation.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mdpi.com&#x2F;2076-3417&#x2F;7&#x2F;4&#x2F;341" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mdpi.com&#x2F;2076-3417&#x2F;7&#x2F;4&#x2F;341</a>
readams将近 2 年前
I&#x27;m curious who has a problem that this solves. You need to have line of sight to something very nearby. So you&#x27;d need to wire 10Gb Ethernet to the LiFi points.<p>But then why not just use wired Ethernet?
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Animats将近 2 年前
HP used to sell an infrared LAN. Little red ceiling domes in offices. It wasn&#x27;t popular, but it did work.
blincoln将近 2 年前
Seems like the fact that it&#x27;s a &quot;tightbeam&quot; vs. WiFi&#x27;s broad coverage could result in some fun niche hacks like tiny autotracking IR transceiver turrets that follow devices around a room or (working together to hand off the connection) a building, or larger versions that keep two transceivers pointing at each other over a longer point-to-point link. Who will be the first hobbyists to establish a LiFi link bounced off of one of the old retroflectors on the moon?<p>If the IR is bright enough, it might even make sense to put a NIR camera in every access point so it can double as an unobtrusive security camera, and&#x2F;or track devices (for beam-forming, forensic information for physical security staff, etc.).
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gweinberg将近 2 年前
Strange title. If infrared is the punchline, what&#x27;s the joke?
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6510将近 2 年前
Perhaps it would even be useful to do networking use audio (like dial up sounds or cassette tapes) One could carefully pick sounds to be the least annoying and have [say] a printer announce to the world that it is still online. One could probably transfer well over 50kb&#x2F;s but it hardly seems necessary if one rarely prints anything. I already scream at rarely used printers it would be great if it would listen for print jobs. It could take dictation too. Perhaps it is funny to have the entire print order in human speech.<p>Iphones have some weird feature to listen for coughing or water(?) We already have door bells and door knockers sending out audio signals. (Video doorbells are great but knockers are more reliable.) Lots of devices in the home make identifiable sounds. Combined with the security footage you could generate a film of you using your wireless drill, every time you look in the fridge, open the front door, when you shoot someone, etc &quot;vacuum cleaning the movie&quot;.<p>The vacuum cleaner can be asked for a status report, its serial, build date etc, how full its bag is utilizing a human friendly machine readable audio signal.<p>It seems much more secure than evil men silently communicating with your devices over the internet.<p>I think we are onto something here.
coltonweaver将近 2 年前
Am I correct that this would require direct line-of-sight for any device using an antenna[0] enabling this? It seems a bit impractical for your typical consumer use-cases if so, but maybe beneficial for some more commercial scenarios.<p>Would love to know if I am wrong here though! It seems very interesting.<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.purelifi.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;light-antenna-one&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.purelifi.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;light-antenna-one&#x2F;</a>
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zadler将近 2 年前
Years later, we’ll find out that it messes with people’s sleep…
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spdustin将近 2 年前
I’d be curious to know how it impacts things like FaceID. Or if bathing a room with rapidly modulated IR would affect thermography (as used in, say, energy efficiency audits).
Havoc将近 2 年前
Given how much people struggle with vanilla routers I’d say anything requiring line of sight could be challenging.<p>I could see it being supplemental though. Wifi and this sorta like anycast
letitbeirie将近 2 年前
This is pretty cool - being able to identify&#x2F;segregate traffic by its <i>physical room</i> seems like it would be a useful tool for anyone in security, university professors giving exams, etc.<p>I can&#x27;t really see it totally replacing WiFi though. It&#x27;s hard enough to get a TV remote to work outside in the shade - getting higher-bandwidth IR-based WiFi to work outside in the sun seems... ambitious?
elcritch将近 2 年前
Where I believe LiFi options would be great is to eliminate HDMI &#x2F; Display Port cables to monitors or TVs. Just one less wire to run and figure out how to hide. Well at least until wireless energy systems get better. ;)<p>Or to have a desktop computer across the room from a display and be able to switch displays.
firefoxd将近 2 年前
Not to bash on this tech, but at the close proximity and fixture it requires, why not a wired connection?
jimmytidey将近 2 年前
I remember reading that Royal Navy engineers maintaining nuclear submarines use Li-Fi to connect their workstations to the network.<p>They said it was a security requirement - does seem extraordinarily elaborate. It feels like using wires could have been a simpler answer...
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kbumsik将近 2 年前
I wonder how it offers bi-directional communication?<p>Do mobile devices have to have small light bulb (like infrared) to support bi-drectional communication? It would be too big for modern smartphone though.
njanirudh将近 2 年前
Is <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;Rw-QZuGVP3o" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;Rw-QZuGVP3o</a> somehow related to the technology in the article.
sp1rit将近 2 年前
I remember my old Nokia brick having the ability to send files and apps through an infrared thingy on its side. You could simply hold two phones side by side from each other and transfer data, but I remember handly anyone using it (I guess it was kind of akwad to use - but probably still simpler than getting the devices paird with bluethooth).<p>It wasn&#x27;t nearly as fast the advertised speeds mentioned in the article.
wiradikusuma将近 2 年前
&quot;..instead of having wifi that someone can tap into..&quot; so, use Ethernet cable?
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gnicholas将近 2 年前
Would this be easier to intercept from a distance?
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atum47将近 2 年前
There were some research in the past where they can turn WIFI signal into video (seeing through walls, detecting humans...).<p>I wonder how easier this will make things for them...
RobotToaster将近 2 年前
As someone pretty sensitive to CFL&#x2F;LED flicker, the idea of this being everywhere is worrying.
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hparadiz将近 2 年前
If I have a room full of these can they communicate with each other to provide a connection? This reminds me of base stations for my VR setup where my feet trackers will sometimes lose connection due to a physical obstacle like a desk. The solution is to add more base stations typically or make your space more sparse.
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PartiallyTyped将近 2 年前
Does anyone even need 9.6Gbps wireless?
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hilbert42将近 2 年前
Why such a puny speed?
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