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AI: Startup vs Incumbent Value (2022)

81 点作者 tristanMatthias将近 2 年前

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Animats将近 2 年前
It <i>is</i> different this time, though. Take a look at this open source project.[1]<p>This is a system which lets you talk to NPCs in video games. It&#x27;s a collection of off the shelf components held together by some Python code. The components do this:<p>- Listen to the user talking and convert speech to text.<p>- Watch the user&#x27;s facial expressions via webcam.<p>- Watch the game, and use face recognition on the game images to determine what character is being addressed.<p>- Run the user&#x27;s text through a LLM preloaded with about 30 lines of info about the NPC to generate a reply.<p>- Generate voice output in a voice generated to match the character&#x27;s persona.<p>- Modify the image of the character on screen to animate their facial expressions to match the voice output. This is done on the output image, <i>not</i> by animating the 3D character.<p>Five years ago, that was science fiction. A year ago, half that stuff wouldn&#x27;t work right. Now it&#x27;s someone&#x27;s hobby project.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;AkshitIreddy&#x2F;Interactive-LLM-Powered-NPCs">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;AkshitIreddy&#x2F;Interactive-LLM-Powered-NPCs</a>
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satvikpendem将近 2 年前
(2022) article. Interestingly, a lot has changed in just under 9 months in the AI world. GPT 4 has come and it&#x27;s actually an AI crunch, not a gain. I wrote in another post I submitted but the gist is that bootstrapped startups and incumbents will be the true winners while VC backed startups won&#x27;t, because there is no moat in AI to defend their high valuations.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36761643">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36761643</a>
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quickthrower2将近 2 年前
Really tough one to guess. If the small laptop-run models win (become useful enough), the value may be captured by the commons, with various applications (glue code essentially) capturing the value. A bit like the early internet scenario - good for startups.<p>Likely NVidia, AWS, Azure, Google Cloud will capture a lot of the value. OpenAI might, but they are playing a game of tennis where they are &quot;Advantage&quot; but could still lose.
Animats将近 2 年前
No mention of profits.<p>Now that the era of free money is over, and you have to pay nonzero interest, profits matter again. Is anybody in the AI space actually profitable? Is OpenAI losing money on every token to build volume?
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ankit219将近 2 年前
Reflecting on this nine months later, it feels a lot of people misread the pace of innovation, and where inertia actually stays. A couple of aspects I thought of when I heard about Jasper layoffs.<p>1. A lot of value was supposed to come from selling to enterprises. The narrative was that they would move slowly and hence nimble startups could sell to them and generate quick revenue. The assumptions are really tested on this one. First, the virality and popularity meant any Engg leader working on AI related projects got social capital and prestige (and a promotion) inside the company, making it preferable for companies to build than buy. An API form factor helped immensely in getting to a POC within a day. Second, for those buying, many startups (in LLMOps) ended up selling the same thing, so they slowed down to evaluate. Third, the data privacy issues meant no enterprise was willing to go for cloud solutions.<p>2. A lot of startups never picked up the tougher problems. Eg: Training an open source model, or finetuning as a service, the core aspects to change the underlying behavior of a model was picked up in open source, but most startups never picked that part up. Partly to do with things that got hype. An LLM wrapper would show off a cool demo, gets shared widely, thus encouraging others to build something similar, rather than go deep. A very clear indication of this was how Open AI and then Anthropic stopped offering finetuning services on newer models electing to just enable zero&#x2F;few shot learning and bigger context windows. Easy for them, but tough for consumers who really wanted a customized solution.<p>There are still very cool moonshots out there, and probably unlock the value not captured by incumbents. At this point, my working assumption is that for an AI startup to capture value, they would have to go deeper into the stack, and offer a service their competitors would take effort to do (and by extension enterprises would take time to do). Eg: Ability&#x2F;Training a open source model locally for search and summarization based on proprietary data. I know BCG[1] did it pretty well and got spectacular results.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bcg.com&#x2F;press&#x2F;10may2023-intel-bcg-announce-collaboration-enterprise-grade-secure-generative-ai" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bcg.com&#x2F;press&#x2F;10may2023-intel-bcg-announce-collabora...</a>
numbers_guy将近 2 年前
Why would I use a Google LLM or a Facebook LLM over OpenAI&#x27;s LLM?<p>Google and Facebook are today&#x27;s knowledge dealers. They do not profit from providing an LLM that sidesteps all their products and gives you the answer you are searching for directly. They want to influence your eyeballs. They will try to do this by injecting their own thought manipulation crap in their LLMs. I instinctively would not trust them. I would want an LLM that is pure in some sense. Unfortunately, even OpenAI is already debased, but for another reason.<p>But here you can see the value that a startup can provide over the current incumbents. A startup can provide an unadulterated knowledge base of the internet and be profitable. Whether that is OpenAI or one of its competitors I do not know, but Google and Facebook cannot do that. There is no gain for them.
seaparter将近 2 年前
I’m too much of a bitchy queen to get past the author’s writing style, so I only got through a few paragraphs.<p>At the end of the day, the incumbents are mostly providing the APIs or the hardware to do anything significant. There may be a handful of outliers, but it seems a vast majority of AI startups these days are a new iteration of resellers.<p>Before, it was hosting that was resold, now it is APIs or if their customers have any gumption TPUs and GPUs, which is arguably still hosting.<p>I don’t see startups ruling AI.<p>Also, a lot of people misattribute the label of startup to established companies. I could go on a rant about tech journalists being the cause, but I’ll just say OpenAI is not a startup.
vonnik将近 2 年前
The reasons why startups did not capture a lot of value in the last wave of AI was because incumbents held the data and ML was primarily a feature added to someone else’s product and distribution channel.<p>The reason why ChatGPT changed that is because they developed an algorithm&#x2F;model good enough to offer a consumer-grade conversational interface and they scraped the web to train it.<p>That is, they offered a whole product and nailed distribution so they could own the relationship with the user.
k8spm将近 2 年前
This is from October 2022... So a bit out dated given how quickly AI has moved. Incumbents have stepped up offerings in the meantime
futurisold将近 2 年前
Very insightful piece. Excellent foresight.