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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

118 点作者 instagraham将近 2 年前

95 条评论

wildermuthn将近 2 年前
I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months. Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them. Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve dug deep into the rabbit hole. It appears that the vast majority of those in “ufology” are in it for the money. Many claims about extraterrestrials also veer off into the supernatural. Conspiracy theories have a funny attraction to one another, creating clumps of exuberant irrationality. But the recent case of David Grusch and the rebranding of UFOs as UAPs and aliens as NHI (non human intelligence), are a sign that clear (but skeptical) thinking is growing on this topic. Grusch isnt (yet) making money off this. He appears entirely trustworthy in a way that is off-color for this topic. Assuming he isn’t a world class con playing the long-game, his credibility suggests three possibilities: 1. He has bad data, by accident or incompetence 2. He has bad data, by purposeful deceit 3. He has good data. The cool thing about Grusch is he doesn’t claim to have first-hand knowledge. He claims to have the names of people who do, and the locations associated with the “crash-retrieval” program. What’s more likely, that there is no other intelligent life in the galaxy, or that an advanced civilization that has been around for eons isn’t all that interested in engaging with the local wildlife? The most credible UAP reports don’t involve the fantastic stories of abduction, crop-circles, ancient pyramids, etc. The credible reports have what appear to be reconnaissance craft with a strong interest in the military and nuclear weapons. In short, it’s worth supporting Grusch and having his names and places checked out. The answer to Fermi’s paradox is an important one for humanity — as central as whether the sub revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun. At the very least, we should be curious skeptics. As the head of the Pentagon’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), Sean Kirkpatrick, said recently, “wouldn’t that be fun?” if we discovered evidence we were not alone.
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dtx1将近 2 年前
So just to give everyone here a bit of context. This hearing was not for the UFO Believers to be used as official disclosure. This was not to convince any skeptics out there this is real. This is a political tool for the congressional oversight committee (who themselves may not have any evidence) to put into record what they need to follow up on using their power of the purse and oversight rights.<p>Is this an issue of national Security? Who has what information? Who is housing what artifacts? What funds are used to pay for these projects? Who has committed crimes to hide this information?<p>All those questions weren&#x27;t asked because anyone expected Grush, Fravour or Graves to tell them: Yeah I&#x27;ve got a UFO in my garage. In fact all witnesses answered all those questions before. This had one specific goal: Get this into congressional testimony, under oath, from credible witnesses and thus give congress the means, information and constitutional duty to investigate further.<p>And for all those sceptics out there: this is unusually bipartisan and seeing Gaetz and AOC both laserfocused on investigating government misuse of money on such a historically fringe subject is most interesting.
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h2odragon将近 2 年前
For those asking &quot;Why now?&quot; ... here&#x27;s a couple wild takes:<p>The Interstellar Squid have arrived. They&#x27;re hanging out around Saturn (cf &quot;largest comet ever&quot;). Even after a century of preparation and propaganda, there is a large fraction of humanity who refuses to conceive of intelligence other than human. This is the last gasp at preparing them.<p>That, or the political corruption has gotten so rank that they&#x27;re scraping the bottom of the bin for &quot;lookit the shiny!&quot; distraction stories.
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neom将近 2 年前
Full hearing:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=EL_HYG3uXQg">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=EL_HYG3uXQg</a><p>I watched it, pretty weird. Particularly interesting: 1:45:00 through 2:00:00
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srge将近 2 年前
Many people from the government and from the military are putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line to bring these informations to the public.<p>Let’s at least recognize that before automatically casting doubt.
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yabones将近 2 年前
Technically, “non-human” bodies and technology that can “turn us into a charcoal briquette” precisely describes Laika of Sputnik II fame.<p>We also did have flying saucers in the 50s, but they kind of sucked compared to helicopters.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Laika" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Laika</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar</a>
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LapsangGuzzler将近 2 年前
Snowden spent quite a bit of time looking for UFO stuff since he had access to almost everything classified and never found any evidence.<p>I’m not saying this whistleblower is definitely lying, but if anyone was capable and willing to bring this forward with receipts, Snowden would’ve done so.
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andrewstuart将近 2 年前
&quot;Whistleblower tells Congress US is concealing &#x27;multi-decade&#x27; UFO capture program&quot;<p>--&gt;<p>&quot;Whistleblower is deluded&quot;<p>There&#x27;s no UFOs. Well let me clarify - there&#x27;s no aliens. If there are UFOs then they are made right here on earth and just need close up, non fuzzy photos.
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philips将近 2 年前
I watched the hearing and noticed three things:<p>1. Many questions about the US response to aerial devices like the “Chinese ballon” and the public’s right to knowledge about those events.<p>2. Calls for removing career stigma around pilots reporting UAPs.<p>3. Calls for additional funding and policies surrounding research and reporting of unidentified aerial phenomenon.<p>It was a combination of pragmatic process improvements, defense funding requests and unsubstantiated non-human intelligence claims.
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tqkxzugoaupvwqr将近 2 年前
If anyone is interested in seeing rigorously analyzed video material, I recommend the YouTube channel of Mick West[1]. He is an experienced programmer that has written a software to combine available data into a 3D space. This makes it possible to recreate situations and validate&#x2F;invalidate hypotheses by stepping through time and looking from different camera angles. He also analyzed the famous gimbal and flir videos (Spoiler: There is a straight-forward explanation for what they show) and deconstructed some of David Grusch’s statements[2].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;@MickWest">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;@MickWest</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=AvhMMhW-JN0">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=AvhMMhW-JN0</a>
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bell-cot将近 2 年前
&quot;The American public has a right to learn about...&quot;<p>Reaction I: The concept&#x2F;prospect of space aliens <i>really</i> mashes a lot of people&#x27;s emotional buttons. And &quot;having a right to learn about&quot; is how such strong emotions are usually articulated.<p>Reaction II: So long as $Potential_Enemy_Nation is a bit unsure about whether you are <i>really</i> lying, about having a bunch of from-1000-years-in-the-future technology hidden away, that you could suddenly start using (against them) if sufficiently motivated...that&#x27;s pretty cheap deterrence, eh?
aczerepinski将近 2 年前
What convinces all of the aliens to crash their UFOs in America? Or is every govt part of the conspiracy?
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enterprise_cog将近 2 年前
If you need any further proof this country has a hard time innovating anymore, this UFO story push that coincides with the start of another Cold War is a great example.<p>I remember listening to Art Bell as a kid, fascinated with the stories of aliens, MIB, military coverups, etc… with former military men telling a lot of the stories.<p>Then I read Carl Sagan and realized how silly it all was. Then I learned how the government lies about so much. How they use current and former military and intelligence to further those lies.<p>Shame so many still buy into this at all. Highly suggest reading a demon haunted world if you haven’t. It makes these claims pure comedy.
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killingtime74将近 2 年前
I guess this is what people expect them to do? It&#x27;s their job? Is he really a whistleblower or just revealing secrets? Where is the wrongdoing hes blowing the whistle on? Not giving congress enough details?
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srvmshr将近 2 年前
In theory, maybe possible. But honest-to-god critical thinking&#x2F;sincere question: given that multiple countries have had satellites, deep space observation methods, giant telescopes etc how is that alien ingress have never been noticed? Aliens couldn&#x27;t have known that US&#x2F;UK were the preferred destinations - countries with large surface areas like Australia, Russia, Brazil and India don&#x27;t report such activities in general.<p>Why is that UFOs are coming up as pop culture topic just now in last few decades - and no concerted &amp; corroborative evidence exists from medieval or prehistoric times (apart from some cave paintings where imaginations have been at play of superior beings).<p>Human race always had a creative tone to recording our history - we borrow philosophy, allude to existence of supernatural, and of God almighty. When it is about non-planetary life, definitive evidence _must_ exist all over the planet that we were visited - not just one country. Or am I being too cynical?
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cowboysauce将近 2 年前
Commercial airlines apparently experience crashes at a rate of 6 per 100,000,000 flights. I wasn&#x27;t able to find a figure from the testimony as to how many craft are claimed to have been recovered. The best I could find was an anonymous quote from a Vox article of 12+. Applying the commercial airline stat to 12 crashes over 80 years results in almost 7,000 alien flights per day (just over the US). There are 25,000 flights per day (again in the US). A ratio of alien:commercial flights of 1:4 is really hard to buy. The alternative is that these alien craft are incredibly more advanced and yet somehow worse at flying than human aircraft. To play devil&#x27;s advocate, maybe the government is intentionally shooting them down. But how? With what? Human knock-offs of their own weapons?
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catchnear4321将近 2 年前
&gt; I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access<p>that’s bullshit, but i’ll believe it.
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DoreenMichele将近 2 年前
<i>The whistleblower former intelligence official David Grusch says he faced “very brutal and very unfortunate” retaliation after he went public with his allegations.</i><p>Intelligence personnel swear to keep their mouths shut. He has no real evidence and no real compelling reason that I&#x27;m seeing for coming forward.<p>What did he expect?
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bloopernova将近 2 年前
What&#x27;s the timeline before real evidence is provided? Or is there none, and this is just the same as the last million times something extraordinary was claimed and nothing came of it?
MikeTheRocker将近 2 年前
I don&#x27;t know what to make of this. It just seems so incredibly implausibly that extraterrestrials would have the technology or motive to come to Earth without widespread detection.
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instagraham将近 2 年前
From the BBC story:<p>Rep Nancy Mace, a North Carolina Republican, tried to get Grusch to elaborate on what he knew about non-terrestrial bodies.<p>She asks him if &quot;biologics&quot; were recovered from any crashed crafts.<p>Referencing his previous media interviews, Grusch responds that &quot;biologics came with some of these recoveries&quot;.<p>Were they human or non-human? Mace asks.<p>&quot;Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the programme I talked to,&quot; Grusch responds.ike this.&quot;
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rhaway84773将近 2 年前
The best part about this “whistleblower”? He’s entire testimony is hearsay.<p>&gt; “I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program, to which I was denied access,”<p>He has no first hand evidence. Basically somebody pranked him by telling him they had access to super secret programs that he would not be allowed to ever see and now he thinks the govt is running experiments on aliens.
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AndrewKemendo将近 2 年前
For additional context, the 14N (Air Force Intelligence officers) community broadly does not support this person or his claims.<p>Take that for what it&#x27;s worth
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digitcatphd将近 2 年前
“He has not seen but spoke with anonymous people about it” and apparently is trying to be stopped but can’t go into detail.<p>Sounds like utter nonsense.
Flatcircle将近 2 年前
Please. If aliens were on earth there’d be lots of quality video and photos from people’s cellphones. Too many people with too many cellphones to not have any proof.
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poulsbohemian将近 2 年前
Haven&#x27;t watched the hearing, but when I&#x27;ve heard a breakdown of public comments over the past few months, what has struck me is how circuitous each statement has been. Person 1 high up in the food chain says that Person 2 told them there was something there, but Person 2 turns around and says either Person 1 or Person 3 told them. It feels like a lot of independent construction and circuitous logic, and the whole time I&#x27;ve found myself wondering about an end goal. Maybe this really is some gentle way of preparing the public, or maybe there are more incidents of things that the government can&#x27;t explain so this is a PR campaign of sorts.
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southernplaces7将近 2 年前
I wonder who here has ever read the work of Jacques Vallee? I recommend it very much. There are two implicit and rather rigid views that I think need to be carefully scrutinized in many of the comments on this site for UFO-related posts: The first of these is that whatever is happening on earth must either be a whole lot of nothing truly abnormal, or a case of aliens from other star systems having visited our planet, under the partial disqualifier that this seems unlikely as hell unless they have FTL travel capabilities.<p>What if it&#x27;s neither of those things? What if something else, not normal as we know normal things of nature to be, but also not classically extraterrestrial or for that matter an outright case of hoaxes and mistaken identity is happening?<p>That last question leads into the second very common rigid point that should be scrutinized: the assumption that aliens have to be extrasolar visitors to be present on Earth. Since we known nothing about alien life, or any super-intelligent life anywhere at all, we can only guess at anything about its nature.<p>Because of this I think it&#x27;s a bad idea to not consider the possibility of something entirely different from classical interpretations of extraterrestrials interacting with us already, and possibly in ways so strange (because of its own truly alien strangeness in a general sense) that they seem absurd and instead get written off as myths or hoaxes across decades and centuries of human history and reported events.
sockaddr将近 2 年前
I don’t usually like to make evaluations like this but Grusch’s demeanor and the way he responds to questions sets off my BS detector big time. I to want to believe just as much as anyone else here, but I can’t take this guy seriously.
DropInIn将近 2 年前
The whole thing screamed a mix of mental illness and con artistry to me...
SgtBaker将近 2 年前
Imagine getting a congressional hearing and coming in with &quot;never saw anything.. no aliens nor their crafts, just a bunch of rumors which I can&#x27;t repeat here, soz all&quot;<p>That was a complete waste of everyones time.
Ancalagon将近 2 年前
It’s a good call out - the ability of the government to keep secrets across decades.<p>But - tinfoil hat time - have they not demonstrated their ability to do this wrt the knowledge around nuclear weapons?<p>Edit: and considering the claimed abilities of UAP, might those technologies be on par (in terms of military might) with the technology behind nuclear weapons?<p>Also, that bit about a spaceship needing a biological pilot was kind of dumb. I don’t know how you can see the advances in AI these days and not be able to extrapolate an advanced space faring species not needing a biological pilot on their spaceship.
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whycome将近 2 年前
Congress holds hearing about claims US government has UFO evidence
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russellbeattie将近 2 年前
I wish I understood this guy&#x27;s motivation.<p>Let&#x27;s assume he&#x27;s not a nut job... So why is he bringing to light secrets which could negatively affect U.S. security? Especially as a career Air Force officer and intelligence services member. Whether you agree that this info should be public or not, there&#x27;s something odd about this person&#x27;s 180 degree flip. From swearing an oath to protect the country and its secrets, to insisting those secrets become public. Really?<p>Let&#x27;s also assume his story is real: The tech could be nuclear weapon level science, so secrecy would nominally be a good thing. But he doesn&#x27;t seem to know <i>what</i> it is, and has decided that it doesn&#x27;t matter anyways. What would possess him to face public ridicule, criticism, career damage and all that to be a whistleblower for something that could potentially be dangerous if public knowledge?<p>It just doesn&#x27;t add up.<p>Also, it seems to me the last president wouldn&#x27;t have been able to keep it a secret had he known about it. Which leads to all sorts of &quot;Independence Day&quot; style conspiracy theories. Occam&#x27;s Razor says it just isn&#x27;t true.
fithisux将近 2 年前
UFOs during war!!! OK, it sounds, as suspicious as it gets.<p>Maybe some ultra-big intelligence calling us to get killed for a higher (deeper) purpose (pocket).
chiefalchemist将近 2 年前
&gt; “I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program, to which I was denied access,” Grusch told the committee.<p>So he&#x27;s got hearsay but no hands-on or eyes-on direct proof. Like Mulder, I want to believe. But if you&#x27;re going to speak under oath, you&#x27;ve got to do better than this.
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throwaway24599将近 2 年前
archive: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;x1ZSD" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;x1ZSD</a>
lockhouse将近 2 年前
This whole thing smells like a distraction from something else brewing.
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FollowingTheDao将近 2 年前
Everyone who is making the snarky comments have never had an encounter with a UAP.<p>My brothers and some of my friends had them twice when we were kids in New York.<p>You all are calling us a distraction, but it is absolutely nowhere in the news. If it was this distraction, it would be headline on CNN. But it’s not.<p>I literally know no one that knew this hearing was going on today.
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RetpolineDrama将近 2 年前
All I can say is that the archives of these threads&#x2F;comments are going to be _highly_ entertaining to our future-selves (hello future people reading this!).<p>The amount of ignorance on display is overwhelming, and a lot of people who fancy themselves intelligent are going to struggle to come to terms with how they were so wrong for so long.
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tonfreed将近 2 年前
I found his wording weasley. &quot;Non-human&quot; at &quot;non-earth vehicle crash sites&quot; could have just meant they found a dead cat underneath a downed hot air balloon.<p>He never explicitly said anything about extra terrestrial beings, and this honestly just feels like a stupid spy joke.
protocolture将近 2 年前
You expect me to believe that regardless of origin, the US Government wouldnt pursue unknown objects?
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realo将近 2 年前
One thing I find amazing is the diversity of UAP vehicles.<p>It used to be saucers, then silvery orbs, tic tac pills, triangles with bright lights , and now during the hearing we learn about dark cubes in translucent spheres!<p>I mean... how many different alien races exactly are playing tourists over here?
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dave333将近 2 年前
It seems more likely that rumors of aliens is obfuscation of the military by the military to avoid rumors about secret programs. Non-human biologics are easy to fake and photograph and might pass if no close or detailed examination is made.
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open-paren将近 2 年前
dupe: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36877774">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36877774</a>
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runnr_az将近 2 年前
Let’s see some evidence?
SketchySeaBeast将近 2 年前
&gt; But after more than two and half hours of testimony, it’s probably fair to say exactly what is now known that was previously unknown, is not known.<p>BBC with the appropriate level of snark for the continual lack of details and evidence.
Datsundere将近 2 年前
Eric Weinstein has a reasonable voice here. Considering there is nobody that is a subject matter expert in these topics employed in these programs, this is just a wild goose chase from something more sinister they&#x27;re doing with money. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=gMJ4cbO88F4">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=gMJ4cbO88F4</a>
revlolz将近 2 年前
The entire UFO congress interaction has seemed like a large distraction away from items like the fed raising interest rates again with the reasoning still to tackle inflation. I don&#x27;t say this to trigger a debate on politics or flamebait , this seems like peak &quot;hey look over here&quot; material.<p>I wish we had events unfolding to hurl us into a new age of space progress, but the &quot;non human biological&quot; stuff was definitely actual dog shit or someone&#x27;s lunch.
applebutter将近 2 年前
He testified to not seeing the bodies of the &quot;pilots&quot; and being able to talk about the spacecraft &quot;behind closed doors&quot;.<p>How people believe this shit will always be amazing to me.
none_to_remain将近 2 年前
This is a clown show.<p>When do we get a horse senator?
lusus_naturae将近 2 年前
It is irresponsible to simply call this &quot;hiding&quot;. It is more reasonable to assume this is psyops by an adversary, and as such releasing information without doing due diligence is just causing harm.<p>Overall, if such events are true I wonder what effect this will have on politics driven by religion-based agendas (many who drive such agenda are not even pious or adherents in any form of the word). Maybe this is finally bring an end to religion-driven politics.
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ChrisArchitect将近 2 年前
More conversation over here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36883198">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36883198</a>
1letterunixname将近 2 年前
Someone is or someones are launching a book, public speaking, vlog, and Netflix series to get some of that sweet Discovery Ancient Aliens&#x27; cash.
wnscooke将近 2 年前
Since we are talking about something as fanciful as aliens, consider this perspective: There are no aliens because their existence runs counter to what the Bible says about God.<p>Assuming the only creation God engaged in was planet earth, how he is described (as never changing) means that his revelation of himself in Christ (who was both human and God, in order that his death would be like our deaths, ((wages of sin is death)), but whose divinity would allow him to rise from the dead ((thereby proving the penalty of sin - death - had been paid for _eternally_ {{being God}})) means that any other creation in the universe would need to be in a similar situation as humanity on earth...otherwise Christ as God&#x2F;Human is totally senseless and useless on these other planets...which can not be since God does not change. Thus, no aliens, anywhere.<p>Now before ppl go off screeching about religion, this is in no way an attempt to convert. It is just a perspective made possible by someone who reads the Bible and likes to try to place any modern idea against it, and maybe the same might help someone else grapple with the immensity of It All. It also doesn&#x27;t mean that there is no need for humanity to keep searching and exploring the stars.
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poulpy123将近 2 年前
Prediction: it&#x27;s not aliens<p>Reason: it&#x27;s never aliens
sidcool将近 2 年前
I don&#x27;t think humans have had contact with extra terrestrials yet. This is just conspiracies fuelling debates.
dralley将近 2 年前
People often joke about how the US should make aircraft that look like UFOs so that people don&#x27;t take them seriously, but they don&#x27;t consider the corollary: adversaries could make aircraft that look like UFOs, so that we don&#x27;t take reported sightings of strange objects seriously.
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thegrim22将近 2 年前
If, as alleged, the government has been running a many decade disinformation campaign on the UAP issue, what are the odds that everyone in this thread is a legitimate commenter? To what level would comment threads such as this be manipulated in different ways in order to maintain&#x2F;push the narrative the government wants? How do you even attempt to have conversations about something like this when such a powerful adversary could be secretly working against you, poisoning the conversation?
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pengaru将近 2 年前
If you find the corpse of an unlucky coyote at a crash site, you&#x27;ve found &#x27;non-human biologics&#x27; and the headline would factually apply. Those words strike me as so carefully chosen as to mean absolutely nothing.
skc将近 2 年前
Silly aliens should have crash landed on a continent where nobody would have cared.
Borrible将近 2 年前
Remnants of a Roadside Picknick by the USS Black Budget, an accounting black hole.
phendrenad2将近 2 年前
Here we are, having the same arguments about this we did in 1950 or so. After decades and decades of the exact same story over and over and over, maybe it&#x27;s time we started thinking about this differently. &quot;UFOs are fake and everyone who says they saw one is a liar or crazy&quot; is tiresome, you&#x27;d have to be a liar or crazy (or woefully uninformed) yourself to actually believe that without at least major doubt. &quot;UFOs exist and I have personally seen their ship fly with my own eyes&quot; and &quot;I have personally seen alien bodies&quot; also doesn&#x27;t ring true. My conclusion is much stranger: There are UFOs, and they somehow defy our ability to capture them. Maybe they don&#x27;t follow the laws of physics, and we can&#x27;t actually contain them.
dang将近 2 年前
Related ongoing thread:<p><i>Public US hearing on UFOs [video]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36880454">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36880454</a> - July 2023 (199 comments)
jarym将近 2 年前
Were they aliens? Well yes, there was no US Passports recovered from the sites.
belter将近 2 年前
Travelling the whole Galaxy, just to crash ont tiny Earth. No wonder other species avoid this Planet. Earth must be the Vegas of galactic civilizations....
7373737373将近 2 年前
Show us material and photographic evidence, as well as independent, scientific analysis, or shut the fuck up
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o-90将近 2 年前
One explanation for this is that another country just has better military technology than the United States. And the cover-up&#x2F;conspiracy is that the US government knows this, but just made up something about aliens because they knew that Americans were stupid enough to believe it. It exploits a very glaring blind spot in a lot of Americans&#x27; minds (that there is no way we couldn&#x27;t be #1).
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dathinab将近 2 年前
true,<p>UFO == Unknown Flying Object<p>at least since the cold war the US had a lot of interest to capture any unknown flying objects and also not disclose much information about capabilities, scope etc. of such a program<p>Can this objects be strange? sure I mean it who knows what the Soviet Union invents. Just looking at some of the research Nazi Germany did (and which ended up in the hands of the US) they would be stupid not to do so just to be sure not to miss something.<p>But does that mean such a program had anything to do with aliens? Not really. But if you already have the program you already keep track of any unexplained aerial phenomena, so people speculating about aliens is basically guaranteed.<p>Why would you still disclose such things today?<p>Maybe you where responsible for some missing&#x2F;crashed Soviet Aircraft or maybe some civilian casualties. Maybe by researching what causes what phenomena you develop some unusual plan which was never used (or build) but has successors which could be relevant if a WW3&#x2F;Cold War2 starts. Who knows.<p>What I know is that all the examples about how supposedly we now have stuff based on alien tech seem nonsensical to me, as there is a long paper trail of how people invested that stuff it&#x27;s parts it&#x27;s non widely available predecessors etc.<p>Similar a program not related to aliens seems likely.<p>And people, including employees etc., coming up with all kind of &quot;interesting&quot; ideas what such a secret program actually does is also well in the area of what I would expect given my understanding of humans.
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seamac3将近 2 年前
If aliens are here, on this planet... what do you think they are doing here?
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iamkoch将近 2 年前
Lucky for earth this all happens in US airspace eh?
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webmobdev将近 2 年前
Probably Russians testing remote-controlled drones with animals in them.
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rurban将近 2 年前
What are the chances that such alien bodies are only detected over US soil?<p>The US landmass (9.834.000 km²) is exactly 1.93% of the earth landmass (510.100.000 km²), and we can assume everybody can see the differences.<p>I call it bullshit
wly_cdgr将近 2 年前
So, like, rat poop?
red-iron-pine将近 2 年前
&gt; not human.<p>okay, so? they didn&#x27;t say <i>non-terrestrial</i>.<p>we&#x27;ve put dogs, monkeys, all sorts of other critters in to experimental aircraft.<p>also, the Russians (Soviets) &#x2F; Chinese &#x2F; Europe all have good air and space monitoring capabilities and satellites -- and there is an awful lot more land in Russia. Why aren&#x27;t they confirming these things?<p>I&#x27;ll say it again: this is a way for FedGov to burn media cycles as both Hunter Biden and Trump are facing indictments that have real teeth. Same story since the 90s and the Oklahoma City Bombing, a great way to keep the q-anon &#x2F; rube demographic riled up.
kcplate将近 2 年前
What is most fascinating to me is I think that Blink-182 dude went and predicted all of this disclosure stuff was going to start happening on Rogan’s show like 5+ years ago
jmclnx将近 2 年前
last I heard, cats, dogs, deer, wolfs, ants, birds and many other creatures have non-human biologics
DoItToMe81将近 2 年前
They claimed similarly spectacular things about about spiritual powers and psychics in the 60s and 70s, which turned out to be total bunk and most likely a funding scheme for the CIA.<p>If aliens are visiting us, why is the US the only nation to have any documentation? Are you telling me the collapse of communism, which caused everything from nuclear plans to biological weapon designs to leak, somehow left aliens untouched?
smcleod将近 2 年前
The whole thing is a distraction while the US (and others) are trying to sneak through encryption busting laws.
bbstats将近 2 年前
Probably dog &#x2F; chimp, no?
standardly将近 2 年前
Society is so gullible :(
pvaldes将近 2 年前
Laika returned home again?
0xbadc0de5将近 2 年前
It&#x27;s always a little disappointing how many people fail this IQ test.
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coding123将近 2 年前
anyone have a live feed that works?
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androidbishop将近 2 年前
I find myself torn between my STEM-educated skeptic mind and my numerous DMT-induced visits to hyper-reality and communication with unfathomably advanced hyper-dimensional beings mind. I find it difficult to accept that these experiences were just the products of my own subconscious or imagination, as they were far beyond the capabilities of my wildest dreams and just felt too real, too alien, and too consistent. There has been some recent breakthroughs by Andrew Gallimore that have allowed researchers to extend the DMT experience indefinitely via the DMTx project, and the first trials have been completed by a group of serious researchers, all PhDs. They report extended contact with hyper-dimensional aliens&#x2F;beings, on numerous sessions.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Myq_Hc_39aI&amp;t=1898s">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Myq_Hc_39aI&amp;t=1898s</a><p>Now, I find it difficult to believe there isn&#x27;t a plethora of intelligent life out there in the universe. There are just far too many star systems. I also find it difficult to believe that any have to come to visit. There is no evidence to support it, and think about it: the time, energy, and technology required to travel the vast expanse of space to reach Earth are unimaginably huge. And if they had that kind of technology, it would seem unlikely that they would routinely crash once they got here. Furthermore, we&#x27;ve only been producing radio waves for a short period of time, nowhere near long enough to signal a remote civilization that we&#x27;re even here (I&#x27;m not sure our radio waves would even be detectable at those distances). And why would they even want to? At that level of sophistication, we would be nothing more than ants to them. Bacteria in a petri dish.<p>Yet, even we, as humans, spend a lot of effort researching ants. And bacteria, in petri dishes. And if the collective DMT community&#x27;s experiences are to be believed, and we have contacted and communicated with advanced alien intelligences, they usually seem to be quite interested and curious about us too. This is a huge leap, but maybe the universe isn&#x27;t what it seems. It could be data, data that could be manipulated from outside the confines of the simulation. Or, maybe there are higher dimensions of reality, that we are currently (mostly) incapable of detecting from our vantage point. Maybe the aliens exist in higher dimensions, and use these UFOs as lower dimension probes, that don&#x27;t have to travel vast distances of space because they don&#x27;t originate from other star systems. Maybe they crash because they&#x27;re SUPPOSED to be found, maybe they want us to reverse engineer them to learn something, to accelerate our technological and scientific advancement.<p>Or maybe it&#x27;s all poppycock. Maybe we&#x27;re the first species that will possibly achieve interstellar transportation, and it will us that are the aliens visiting other primitive worlds. Only time will tell.
LinuxBender将近 2 年前
I identified a UFO yesterday. It was a UFO until I realized a finch flew past my camera too fast for it to focus. I suspect <i>most</i> UFO&#x27;s are something like this. I would hope that all UFO <i>investigations</i> start with <i>&quot;Why were our sensors failing to do their job?&quot;</i> and&#x2F;or <i>&quot;Why was someone able to trick&#x2F;spoof our sensors?&quot;</i><p>I can see why this would be classified. One should not leak to adversaries how miserably some of our sensors and cameras are failing. So that only leaves me with one question. Do governments stipulate in their vendor contracts that if {n} percent of objects can not be identified by some measurable means that they get a heavy discount on the improved sensors?
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ozten将近 2 年前
The simplest explanation I&#x27;ve come up with is that the politicians like Marco Rubio and Matt Gaetz are servicing the UFO conspiracy segment of their demographics by supporting and encouraging David Grusch to be a UAP whistleblower.<p>Grusch&#x27;s extraordinary claims that the US has forced a global secrecy around the race to recover working and crashed non-human vehicles since 1930, that biological materials (aliens) and vehicles have been recovered multiple times, and that there is currently multiple countries in a &quot;cold war&quot; like race to recover these vehicles on an ongoing basis, seems fanciful.<p>A beneficial pragmatic outcome will be if there was more government transparency and removal of stigma around reporting UAP for civilian and military pilots.
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waterheater将近 2 年前
The general response in this discussion is skeptical, and I can understand the hesitation to broach the UFO&#x2F;UAP topic, particularly when the topic has been vilified for literally decades. However, we are now in a legitimately different era of discussion of these topics, and you have to be willing to open your mind to the idea that these efforts are legitimate.<p>The bipartisanship at the hearing is to be commended, and the national security angle cannot be overstated. All three witnesses believe these UAP are genuine national security threats because they possess flight capabilities far exceeding anything beyond what we have. These UAP were documented on multiple military sensor platforms, some of which are still classified.<p>You must realize the USG has been and is engaged in an active disinformation campaign to deny existence of UAP, even to Congress. For example, multiple Subcommittee members mentioned that they wanted to meet in a SCIF with Grusch to receive a classified briefing but could not. A direct quote from the hearing: &quot;Just so that the press knows and the people know, we [members of the Subcommittee] were even denied access to a classified briefing in a SCIF due to the amount of hoops we had to jump through to grant temporary clearance to witness Grusch, who has knowledge of classified information.&quot; Additionally, multiple members of Congress were initially denied access to data and personnel related to a UAP incident reported at Eglin AFB and in the end only received a portion of what was sought. Clear attempts to prevent elected officials from merely accessing relevant information is a genuine threat to national security because the military serves the people, not the other way around.<p>All three witnesses are trained and decorated military service members, each of which have since left the military. Their situational awareness and observational abilities are much better than you or me, particularly since we haven&#x27;t been explicitly trained on such while they have. Additionally, Grusch is documented to have worked in both the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), two sensitive branches of the military intelligence community. As far as I&#x27;m aware, the NRO ships and provides military sensing platforms, and the NGA performs analysis from many different military data streams, including the NRO. Grusch even said in his opening statement that, at the NGA, he had a hand in making the Presidential Daily Briefing.<p>One commenter here says it&#x27;s &quot;more reasonable to assume this is psyops by an adversary&quot;, which is, by definition, a conspiracy theory, given that the commenter has no evidence of such occurring and would prefer to live in a world where three former US military service members are coerced to commit perjury to Congress about something which doesn&#x27;t actually exist. Moreover, if an adversarial nation possesses craft with the capabilities described by the three witnesses, drawing any attention, even through an active disinformation campaign, to that strategic advantage is a clear breach of operational security with no clear, tangible benefit.<p>The preponderance of evidence in support of the existence of UAP should be overwhelming unless you&#x27;ve made the choice to not accept the premise: that intelligent life beyond humanity exists.<p>Here&#x27;s a link to the full hearing recording: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KQ7Dw-739VY">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KQ7Dw-739VY</a>
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tamimio将近 2 年前
Let me guess, it’s a message for the “enemies” that we have some cool aliens technology so better not to mess with us!! At least be creating..
Eji1700将近 2 年前
This whole thing is just making me have less and less faith in society.<p>There&#x27;s no fucking way this is remotely true, but everywhere I look, not matter the community, there&#x27;s so much &quot;what if&quot; nonsense that reeks of the same ignorance those people screamed about when that was the argument for COVID conspiracies.<p>The energy required to travel through space is obscene.<p>The difficulty of traveling through space is obscene.<p>Finding ANYTHING in space is obscene.<p>IF somehow all of this was done, then the idea it&#x27;s been kept a secret when there&#x27;s soooo many ways of tracking and viewing these things is stupid (especially when you consider how much energy would need to be expended).<p>This is also assuming that for some reason they want to remain secret?<p>The whole thing is just so on it&#x27;s face bs, but people so desperately want to believe they&#x27;ll ignore all evidence. I can understand that, but I HATE the hypocrisy on display from those who are routinely critical of others for having such gaps in their logic.
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dang将近 2 年前
Related threads on this hearing:<p><i>Whistleblower tells Congress: US Gov&#x27;t hides &#x27;non-human intelligence&#x27; evidence</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36882051">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36882051</a> - July 2023 (1 comment)<p><i>Former intel officer says &#x27;non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36880471">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36880471</a> - July 2023 (13 comments)<p><i>Public US hearing on UFOs [video]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36880454">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36880454</a> - July 2023 (55 comments)<p><i>Live: UFO&#x2F;UAP Congressional Hearings</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36879441">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36879441</a> - July 2023 (95 comments)<p><i>House UFO hearing livestream [video]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36877774">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36877774</a> - July 2023 (121 comments)<p>I&#x27;m not sure which URL is best so not sure where to marge the threads, most of which aren&#x27;t very good anyhow. This is a topic on which people mostly just repeat their priors.
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exitb将近 2 年前
<i>We wouldn&#x27;t happen to be invading Iran today, would we?</i>
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KingLancelot将近 2 年前
The biggest question to ask is, why after 90 years of secrecy, coverups, and gaslighting the general public, have they started the disclosure process, specifically starting with that New York Times&#x2F;Pentagon confirmed story in 2017.
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BaculumMeumEst将近 2 年前
“I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program, to which I was denied access,” Grusch told the committee.<p>Not sure if this is an insane person, a grifter looking for a book deal, or someone trying to trigger an investigation. But I’m going to go out on a limb and say we probably haven’t been studying a crashed alien spaceship for decades.
candiddevmike将近 2 年前
In theory, Congress should already know about the existence or not existence of aliens&#x2F;UFOs, so what&#x27;s the point here? To show that congress isn&#x27;t being informed?
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jonplackett将近 2 年前
If they did reverse engineer these UFOs, they must have kept it very secret from the NASA SLS team, and EVERYONE at Boeing. If they secretly gave it all to spaceX then maybe we get a _slightly_ compelling argument…
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