Brexit Could Be Reversed - Here's How

I’ve only read half the article and stopped because it seems the author is hopelessly ignorant about some basic facts:<p>- The EU won’t start the process to admit the UK until joining is politically settled<p>- Until the Tory party is also onboard with rejoining, it can’t be politically settled<p>- The Tory party will only get onboard when it’s no longer possible to win power without wanting to rejoin<p>- Despite there being over 30m voters in the UK, our system ensures only a few hundred thousand swing voters decide the government<p>- Those voters are still in favour of Brexit<p>- Finally, ALL polls showing a majority rejoin exclude “Don’t knows,” meaning there’s no actual majority for rejoin<p>The above facts explain why the Labour Party is not campaigning to rejoin. Until a number of those are changed, the UK simply will not rejoin the EU.

remember: the FT have managed to mis-predict every single major UK political event relating to brexit:<p><pre><code> - they&#x27;ll vote remain - they&#x27;ll ignore the referendum result - they won&#x27;t invoke article 50 - the article 50 court case will prevent it being triggered - we won&#x27;t exit - we&#x27;ll stay in the single market </code></pre> they simply have no understanding of how the electorate think<p>(though I suppose it&#x27;s possible they may eventually get one right)

I was a remainer (ie anti-Brexit).<p>This article shows what seems to be becoming a general growing consensus that &quot;some people (prominent campaigners and politicians) lied to us for their own benefit&quot; - and there is a more subtle second consensus of &quot;and then forced a hard brexit for their own career gains&quot;.<p>This is a nice consensus because it has evil people to blame, and removes the blame from 50% of the voting public<p>I am not sure that&#x27;s a good idea.<p>We have more or less proof that 50 % of the country cannot work out basics of social democracy, of trade agreements and referendums. Even things like self interest or which of the bastards is lying to you.<p>It was a massive act of self harm and it was an act of democracy.<p>Brexit shows there are viable mental models of the world and there are mental models the equivalent of crayon drawings of the sun and ann apple tree.<p>How do we get sensible disagreement on the viable ones and laugh the crayon drawings out?<p>I am always reminded of the woman who told John McCain &quot;I am scared of Obama, he is an Arab&quot;. McCains reply was inspiring but the look on his face seemed to me to say &quot;how can I fix this one voter at a time? It will take forever&quot;.

Please don&#x27;t.<p>Things have been so much smoother in the EU since UK left. Their politicians had this idea that Europe was out to screw them in every deal and that made it a very annoying 30 years of &quot;collaboration&quot;.

If the UK proves itself to be a partner that doesn&#x27;t want special treatment like before, it sure can be welcomed back by the EU, and if anything it coming back will only strengthen the union by showing that leaving it was considered a mistake in the end.<p>But I still feel skeptical regarding Brits and British politicians actually being ready to accept the fact they&#x27;re not special and that they will not have special treatment. I am pretty sure they&#x27;ll want to pull a sneaky and try to sneak something in to calm down the Tories.

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There&#x27;s no way it will happen, the damage has been done and besides, the politicians don&#x27;t want it.<p>The referendum should&#x27;ve been nullified when the scale of political interference via social media in 2016 came to light. Also, 52% to 48% is not a resounding &quot;yes&quot; and should not have been considered as one.

Coulda woulda shoulda<p>They fucked around and now they are in the finding out phase. There is no way the EU will allow them to continue with their jackasseries. If you want back in apply like a new state and accept the shit conditions new members have to accept. You&#x27;re not special. You&#x27;re a shadow of a former great empire and your economy is collapsing. Immigrants? Those fools are actually keeping you afloat while you pretend they&#x27;re the root of all your problems.

There are many uninformed comments in this thread saying that the UK would have to join the Eurozone if it returned to the EU.<p>No. You only have to adopt the euro if you meet the convergence criteria. One of the criteria is joining ERM II. There&#x27;s no mechanism that can force a country to join ERM II. This is why Sweden, although theoretically obliged to join the eurozone, still has its own currency.

Tixerb. Here I reversed it.

The net result of Brexit was a disaster for Britain, and basically ‘who cares’ for Europe. I think that if Britain wants to join, as they say, beggars don’t get to choose.<p>As a European citizen, I think that Britain belongs in Europe. On the other hand it’s time to grow up for Europe.

The general problem with Remainers is that they tend to see Europe through rose tinted glasses rather that what is actually happening there. Sure, UK is having hard times but look at what is happening in Europe. Rampant unemployment and social issues are the norm in Europe. The issue with Brexit was that the UK leadership never believed it would happen and did not want it to happen. Brexit was never really implemented. With tough times coming, people will see that we can be nimble enough with Brexit to avoid sluggish EU processes.

FT and other media struggle to accept the results of democratic processes

Hard to imagine Britain joining both the Euro and the Schengen zones. I just don’t see the British public not thinking they’re special and demanding exceptions and carve outs just for them.

Brexit was a top level decision disguised as populism. There won&#x27;t be a new referendum predicated on polling that few trust, then or now. Continental Europe&#x27;s future alignment may be to the East. The UK no more wants to be on that wagon, nor even the chance of it, than they did in WWI and WWII. Therefore, in my opinion, they won&#x27;t be rejoining the EU. Articles like this are fodder.

Retaining Brexit diehards is absolutely essential for Tories to avoid a complete battering at the next general election. This is just the sort of tosh that will scare any centre-left-leaning Europhobes back on side.<p>Stories like this and —more recently— anti-green policies will run thick throughout the coming campaign.

When the UK media and general public talked about Europe they didn’t include themselves in that term, so it’s no surprise Brexit happened on a macro level. It’s a cultural failing first of all for Europe.

General de Gaulle was right in the 60s that the brits are more trouble than they&#x27;re worth. France is smart and won&#x27;t let them back in. Brexit is now and forever as far as the EU is concerned.

I find it hard to see us rejoining in a hurry but I think we could move to a soft brexit, Norway &#x2F; Switzerland type deal fairly soon assuming Labour get in.

Wishful thinking. First the EU needs to change itself so people will want to re-join. Rather it seems that the EU is going opposite direction. After Covid era, I guess no sound person trust its institutions anymore.