Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

I have their 13in grayscale e-ink device. I assume the underlying tech is similar. What they carefully filter out is the significant ghosting of the device that builds up immediately and needs to be cleared with a button on the monitor. The contrast is also poor and blends with ghosted content so you need more time to tell what’s real or junk pixels. The front light on the device is still required in most lighting situations unless you are in sunlight. Glare from non overhead lighting is very bad and worsened by the lack of a backlight. Content on significant portions of the page will flicker as you move your mouse and corrupt content already displayed unless you press the clear button. Content will flicker on many settings even without any movement. Even on the lowest refresh rate the device is still not really usable. I originally bought this to help with eye strain, but the poor visibility of content, flickering, and clearing action make it substantially worse than a regular monitor.<p>Edit: I’d also add that the device emits a coil whine when the display is updating like when moving mouse. Its audible enough to hear over my wall AC unit.

I owned lots of E-ink devices. I got a Boox Mira 13 inch screen and it works well on both Mac&#x2F;Windows. On Windows I can even have some touchscreen interaction. But I have to warn you!!!! that your mouse is not going to work as it feels very different. So I use it only to read news, reply emails and messages. Coding, video, and gaming would be impossible!<p>The same thing would 100% go to this new display.<p>I have also got a Boox X 13 inch tablet. I was choosing between this and Boox Ultra C which is a coloured one. But then I decide the screen size is more important than the color, the the Boox X 13 inch is much lighter! It&#x27;s fantastic to read HN news and PDF every day with it.<p>I once ordered ReMarkable 2 but the experience was a disaster. The PDF is rendered as picture. I couldn&#x27;t believe it! Basically unusable even if it&#x27;s free to get one.

Do not miss an important detail: it is Kaleido.<p>It means, it uses an overlaid colour filter matrix (RGBW, if I remember correctly). This allows for the comparatively high refresh rates of B&#x2F;W EPD, but it is B&#x2F;W EPD with a semi-transparent multi-tinted layer on top, which obviously impacts the brightness.<p>(The alternative would be multi-pigmented EPD cells - &quot;Advanced Color E-Paper&quot;... Which suffers from dramatically low refresh rate.)

That refresh rate is pretty awesome. ...if that&#x27;s real, and I&#x27;m a little skeptical, I kinda want a remarkable with one of these screens. That would be amazing. The poor refresh rate is one of the few things I don&#x27;t love about my remarkable.

My unsolicited advice: turn on a lamp in your workspace, and turn down your monitor brightness. An app like twinkle tray makes adjusting screen brightness as easy as adjusting speaker volume. Your eyes really don&#x27;t care about emissive or reflected light.

I found the product page [1] [EDIT: older grayscale version] and this article [2] from June last year slightly more informative.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.dasung.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;dasung-25-3-e-ink-monitor-paperlike-253?variant=41553876844728" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.dasung.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;dasung-25-3-e-ink-monitor-p...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;goodereader.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;electronic-readers&#x2F;first-look-at-the-dasung-253-25-inch-e-ink-monitor" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;goodereader.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;electronic-readers&#x2F;first-look-a...</a>

I have a not-eReader 078 (back then it was just called not-eReader before the 10&quot; sibling came to be) and it&#x27;s an incredible device for a super small niche: secondary screen for an emergency laptop. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;xmRmYSn" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;xmRmYSn</a> especially <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;eV7qq8Y.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;eV7qq8Y.jpg</a> .<p>Notably there has not been a successor to the One Mix Yoga 2S. Later devices are larger, the current crop of handhelds are gaming handhelds with appropriate controls without a keyboard. Even the Ayaneo Air 1S which only has a 5.5&quot; screen is 224mm wide where the Yoga 2S was 182mm. It&#x27;s a little narrower though. I might buy it and use it with the ancient Samsung NP-Q1 keyboard.

I&#x27;m curious about the refresh rate. From the video, it appears to be fast for an e-ink display. However, it still seems to be slower than what I&#x27;d be comfortable watching a video with.<p>The other thing I&#x27;m curious about is the manufacturer. They seem to have a black-and-white version already available. Has anyone ever tried it?

Honestly looks awesome and Dasung is pretty consistent with their product delivery. Having color would be a game changer for coding. But the monochrome one is already an eye watering price ($1800 USD). This is probably going to be north of $2500.

Why make this for a desktop? E-ink is mostly useful for wireless applications and anywhere power is limited or there&#x27;s a need for always on, static display.

speaking of passive screens on indiegogo, this launched recently:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indiegogo.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;world-s-first-color-rlcd-epaper-with-front-light" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indiegogo.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;world-s-first-color-rlcd-...</a><p>in theory this should be much more interesting than e-ink (lcd refresh rates, similar to sharp mip displays in pebble&#x2F;garmin&#x2F;playdate, frontlight), but not so sure about the android tablet chassis.

0:28 of the promo video, &quot;EVOLUTION OF HULK PREGNANT&quot; is in the Youtube search results...

During the first year of Covid, i tried using a Boox Max Lumi 13.3&quot; with HDMI in as an external monitor for working at home on the terrace. It didn&#x27;t work: Too much ghosting.<p>The video looks promising. But i&#x27;ll wait until there are some reviews.

This is really cool. It does make me miss the Pebble watch though as they dove into color e-ink for certain models as well. They seemed way ahead of the time and it&#x27;s such a shame they couldn&#x27;t make it through.

This product would make sense as a portable secondary monitor for your laptop rig. The demo video is weird. Watching youtube isn&#x27;t a good use case for a color e-ink.

I&#x27;m laughing that the demo video features an adult in a suit sitting down at the computer to browse computer generated nursery rhymes on youtube.

Very impressive tech demo, but in practice, the lack of contrast and the slow (but impressive for e-ink) refresh rate would be a dealbreaker.<p>Also, as others have said, what&#x27;s the benefit of e-ink on the desktop where mains power is readily available?

I’m confused about this page, is it just to sign up for updates for when the monitor ships? I don’t see any information on how much it costs or when it’s available.

I don&#x27;t think I could ever see seriously using this as a general computing monitor.<p>But I have been long wanting to replace a couple of screens I have mounted to the wall with e-ink variants (hooked up to raspberry pi&#x27;s) but the existing solutions were.... not great.<p>If the price is right for this, I might actually be into this.

If some Remarkable 2 person is watching I would buy in a pinch a 2-color version. No need for the whole RGB experience but having, say, red and black available when I take notes would make a big difference.

Can they just license the tech already and let someone make a laptop.<p>Outside working in the sun is the killer app for color e-ink

Is it me, or are they hiding the price unless you sign up for their email list?

The contrast looks terrible.<p>What am I missing?

Looks... servicable. Is eink finally happening?

Work from Beach

Awesome, though I need this in a laptop.

I&#x27;m trying to remember the last time I actually received anything I paid for on Indiegogo. Caveat Emptor.

wireless display? no HDMI?