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How Japan is tackling a syndrome that creates recluses

63 点作者 acqbu将近 2 年前

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screye将近 2 年前
It&#x27;s odd that the article does not mention that Hikikomori syndrome is a disproportionately male phenomenon. Most estimates put it comfortably above 75%, with a 65%-85% tolerance range. Extreme Social withdrawal isn&#x27;t an exclusively male problem, but it is hard to ignore its disproportionate impact on men.<p>&gt; desperation as he quit society and normal life between the ages of 18 and 25<p>If your child face-plants out the gate at age 18, then it indicates gross failure of parenting and the school system.<p>[1] over 90% of Hikikomori are men <i><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ijfs.padovauniversitypress.it&#x2F;system&#x2F;files&#x2F;papers&#x2F;IJFS-2016-1-4.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ijfs.padovauniversitypress.it&#x2F;system&#x2F;files&#x2F;papers&#x2F;IJF...</a></i><p>[2] Findings in this study suggest that 76.4% of the cases are male and 22.9% are females. <i><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.proquest.com&#x2F;openview&#x2F;d2fb2f85ee1b7f913be30ed1427f60e1&#x2F;1?cbl=18750&amp;diss=y&amp;pq-origsite=gscholar" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.proquest.com&#x2F;openview&#x2F;d2fb2f85ee1b7f913be30ed142...</a></i><p>[3] it is estimated that there are 700,000 hikikomori (1.8% of the population between 15-39) with the male:female ratio of 7:3(66.1%:33.9%). <i><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ameblo.jp&#x2F;lastpray&#x2F;entry-10819921709.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ameblo.jp&#x2F;lastpray&#x2F;entry-10819921709.html</a></i>
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_rm将近 2 年前
The article, leading with the example of abuse by an elder, frames the situation well.<p>These individuals are making a decision based on the data they&#x27;ve been given: that the people outside their room want to hurt them, and there&#x27;s little to be gained by leaving if they can avoid doing so.<p>When it&#x27;s an individual recluse, it&#x27;s on them. But when it&#x27;s over a million people, they&#x27;re not to blame.
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EatingWithForks将近 2 年前
These are called NEET (not in education, employment, or training) in the west with a similarly large populace. I don&#x27;t think we can attribute this to just Japan. Canada also has a NEET population problem.<p>I would rather attribute this to the rigors of society which doesn&#x27;t allow for different development paths. Adulthood is a hard transition and some people need more time or different structures than others, but society doesn&#x27;t allow for that. In the past these people would be vagrants until they &quot;settled down&quot; and could somewhat easily re-integrate back to society (employment as a stablehand could go to ferrier, horse trainer, or other land management). Now, with the need for specialization and training paired with age expectations, there&#x27;s much less room.<p>It&#x27;s only reasonable to decide your window is missed and therefore there&#x27;s nothing for you.
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SL61将近 2 年前
I&#x27;m American, but I know someone who seems to fit the definition of hikikomori (not just NEET), and it&#x27;s been interesting to talk with him over the years.<p>He lives just down the road from me, but we haven&#x27;t met in person since high school. We only chat over Discord. Any attempt to meet up somewhere, even if he initially seems semi-receptive, is shot down with an excuse. He lives in his childhood bedroom in his parents&#x27; house, where he plays video games 12+ hours a day and sleeps the rest of the time. As far as I can tell, he leaves the house when his parents drag him along on trips, but otherwise has no connection to the outside world. His parents are lower-middle class, so this is a huge strain on them and I get the impression that there&#x27;s some tension going on as he approaches 30.<p>We started off having a lot in common - I struggled to find a job out of high school, but I put effort into finding one and after several years I have a decent career path. He was shocked when I mentioned that I&#x27;d started a job, and he assumed that my parents had forced me to get one. I thought it was really interesting that his mind went there first.<p>When I lightly approach the topic of employment, it&#x27;s 50&#x2F;50 whether he offers an excuse for not having a job (usually depression and&#x2F;or anxiety) or just says he thinks having a job would suck. It&#x27;s like he simultaneously believes he&#x27;s not capable of holding down a job, and also that he just prefers playing video games all day over working. And when I think about the types of jobs that would hire a guy in his late 20s who&#x27;s never had a job before (grocery store bagger? fast food?), it&#x27;s a bit understandable.<p>I think hikikomorism, or at least our Western version of it, comes from an inability to approach some of the leaps of early adulthood. Getting your first job, moving out, going to college, etc. all involve going out of your comfort zone and diving into something unfamiliar and scary, and it seems like these people are absolutely terrified of leaving their comfort zones.<p>The guy I know definitely wants out, but it just seems insurmountable to him.
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YellOh将近 2 年前
Japan often faces claims of especially harsh work culture with terrible hours&#x2F;overtime expectations; I would expect that to contribute more than things like grandmothers being cruel. (Being unable to keep up with work culture ?=&gt; perceived burdensomeness ?=&gt; less social connection?)<p>I&#x27;m a little worried that this will become more common in aging countries as they place higher demands on the working-age population. There&#x27;s that saying about Japan&#x27;s social issues being a look at the issues the rest of us will have in a couple decades.<p>As a side note, if anyone&#x27;s looking for an indie psychological horror game related to the discussion of hikkikomori, <i>Omori</i> was pretty enjoyable.
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TheAceOfHearts将近 2 年前
These kinds of situations always seem like a collective trauma response to some aspect of society.<p>Looking at abortion statistics in the US it also gives collective trauma response vibes. For what it&#x27;s worth, I&#x27;m still pro choice. But it&#x27;s hard to look at the sheer magnitude of abortions and not think that maybe something is wrong with society.<p>Reading this article, the discussed solutions seem rather vague. I&#x27;d be interested in reading what concrete steps other HN readers think should be taken in Japan and more broadly. I&#x27;d probably recruit a bunch of reformed ex-recluses, get their feedback and suggestions and test them out in different regions, then continue iterating from there.<p>I don&#x27;t think that the people responsible for creating existing power structures tend to have the proper context or perspective to fix the flaws, and often the ones who do have a better perspective are powerless to make changes.<p>As a thought excessive, I wonder how many people would end up living through a similar outcome if they were reborn in the recluse&#x27;s shoes. How much autonomy do you think these people had before growing up and being psychologically crippled by societal structures and systems?
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lifeinthevoid将近 2 年前
There&#x27;s an interesting documentary about the topic on NHK (the Japan Broadcasting Corporation) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www3.nhk.or.jp&#x2F;nhkworld&#x2F;en&#x2F;ondemand&#x2F;video&#x2F;4001383&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www3.nhk.or.jp&#x2F;nhkworld&#x2F;en&#x2F;ondemand&#x2F;video&#x2F;4001383&#x2F;</a>
toldyouso2022将近 2 年前
I&#x27;ve lived 2 years as a hikki and 15 years as a neet (worked very little, mostly freelancing and various expedients). I always wondered how it happened, and in the end I think that while some thing were out of society&#x27;s control, the italian society is based too much on people being &quot;perfect&quot;. It&#x27;s not a society where one can make mistakes or be different, these things are not allowed both by the State and a good number of people. And I&#x27;m not talking of mistakes like shooting heroin, but even dropping out of college, getting some bureaucracy wrong, etc<p>It wouldn&#x27;t surprise me if japan was similar.
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acqbu将近 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;cr4eC" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;cr4eC</a>
barbariangrunge将近 2 年前
100 comments, but I must have missed the ones saying the real cause: anxiety. There’s a growing severe anxiety problem. Social, economic, even of the outdoors. That’s the problem to address and solve, and social stigma is a factor, but it’s more of a multiplier, not the original root cause
EGreg将近 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hikikomori" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hikikomori</a>
anovikov将近 2 年前
From everything i can read about Japanese work culture and social customs i&#x27;d much rather shut in than subject myself to that shit.
somecommit将近 2 年前
Japan is a civilization that produced mass quality samurai and monks, so maybe it&#x27;s linked.