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eSignature Beta for Google Docs and Google Drive

447 点作者 rc00将近 2 年前

35 条评论

danielrhodes将近 2 年前
First this is a great idea. Finally there is some movement on making Google Docs better.<p>I haven&#x27;t used the feature, but from reading the blog post it is sad to see how poorly Google executes on products, even at the beta stage.<p>Some context:<p>I&#x27;ve built such a product before and eSigs are more simple than they seem as long as you do a few things. 1) You need to verify somebody&#x27;s identity. Sending them an email with the request is a valid way of doing this. 2) You need to make the final signed document easily accessible (e.g. emailing all parties a copy of the signed document. 3) You need to not obscure what the person is signing (they need to be able to easily see the entire document if they wish) 4) You need to make it possible for all parties to verify the validity of a signature, which is done with an audit trail appended to the back of the document. 5) Some types of contracts are not valid to be signed with eSign. 6) The parties need to agree to do business electronically, but this is mostly up to them.<p>You do not need to create fake wet signatures, cryptographically sign a document, or do encryption beyond what is necessary for normal compliance. Those are all UX or marketing features: they don&#x27;t hurt, just that according to experts I have spoken to, they aren&#x27;t a factor when going to court.<p>And then we have what Google is offering:<p>From the screenshots, I think it is only a fake wet signature. I&#x27;m not sure how valid that is.<p>Apparently you cannot ask for an eSignature from non-Gmail users right now. But how are you supposed to know they are Gmail users? Can Google not send people a simple email with a link? This alone makes the feature almost worthless, and for something that seems so trivial.<p>They also said they will only be adding an audit trail later this year. This is really sketchy because I believe it means you, nor anybody else can actually verify if it has been signed. Again, this is quite trivial: you store the audit trail in a database, and you append the log as pages onto the back of the PDF document.
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whitej125将近 2 年前
We use DocuSign here and the amount of time I spend hopping back and forth (exporting and importing) between Google and DocuSign is annoyingly high. If Google were to enter this space... I would personally welcome it.
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gauravphoenix将近 2 年前
This isn&#x27;t a DocuSign killer yet and won&#x27;t be for a while until Google get its enterprise story right. DocuSign is deeply integrated with third party workflows in large organizations. That&#x27;s where the big bucks are and you can build a sticky business.
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endisneigh将近 2 年前
Makes sense. For Google implementing this is probably regulatory mainly, not technical. Given how expensive alternatives are, this will be a boon for small contractual actions, though I doubt any huge enterprises will (immediately) switch.<p>Major limitation for now though is:<p>&gt; Non-Gmail users: the ability to request an eSignature from non-Gmail users<p>Hopefully it&#x27;s addressed sooner (September&#x2F;October) rather than later (November&#x2F;December).
j_san将近 2 年前
Is this targeted for the US market or also the EU? Does this qualify as a an advanced electronic signature (AdES) under the eIDAS regulation?
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notfried将近 2 年前
14 months in testing, followed by a beta, is really moving too slow.
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EGreg将近 2 年前
What is the minimum required functionality to roll your own e-signature which would be LEGALLY BINDING under the e-sign act?<p>Seems all we need is:<p>Consent to do business electronically — All parties must agree to conduct transactions electronically, either explicitly or implied.<p>Intent to sign — E-signatures are only valid if the signer intended to sign. Signature requests need to be declinable.<p>Association of signature with the record — Signers must make a visible mark or statement on the e-document.<p>Attribution — Whether a name or a unique mark, the signature must be attributable to the person signing and only linked to them.<p>Record retention — Signed electronic documents must be saved, viewed, or printed by either party and stored for future reference.
therealmarv将近 2 年前
Everything which takes away from DocuSign is a win!
someonehere将近 2 年前
Last time I had to implement Okta integration for DocuSign at my employer it was absurdly expensive. If Google does this right then I’d be ever so happy.<p>DocuSign on the SSO Tax site: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sso.tax&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sso.tax&#x2F;</a>
ptman将近 2 年前
There are alternatives: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;docusealco&#x2F;docuseal">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;docusealco&#x2F;docuseal</a><p>I would like esignatures to be backed by strong electronic authentication, like EIDAS
gumby将近 2 年前
My ID card has a chip in it and can be used to sign documents. Why not support that?
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haliskerbas将近 2 年前
Another set of startups that is just a feature on one of the big platforms.
candiddevmike将近 2 年前
This is enough for me to upgrade from Workspace Starter to Standard. DocuSign is extremely expensive for what you get.
ew将近 2 年前
We attempted to create this last year with <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pleasesign.me" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pleasesign.me</a>. Definitely a case of waiting too long on a good idea. Ah well, it still has some features Google might not launch :)
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johnfonesca将近 2 年前
We are developing a digital signatures solution, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bulksign.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bulksign.com</a> which also has a on-premise version (in addition to SAAS). In Europe, at least, we see an increase in interest for customers having the solution installed on their own servers for security reasons. So more people become aware that sending your confidential documents to a 3rd party is not that great security wise.
Waterluvian将近 2 年前
As long as this doesn’t pretend like a signature is a cryptographic tool, I’m generally a fan of doing away with nonsense like Docusign.
aFaid7see0ni将近 2 年前
I was hoping it&#x27;s this <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ec.europa.eu&#x2F;digital-building-blocks&#x2F;wikis&#x2F;display&#x2F;DIGITAL&#x2F;eSignature" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ec.europa.eu&#x2F;digital-building-blocks&#x2F;wikis&#x2F;display&#x2F;D...</a> but unfortunatey we are not there yet
30minAdayHN将近 2 年前
At this point I&#x27;m worried if Google will sunset their new features. Does anyone else have similar worries? At a personal level, I got bitten couple of times, or may be even more... (one was for the Inbox - or zero email gmail concept and second time with Google Domains)
wanderingmind将近 2 年前
The main thing about eSignature is the willingness and ability to go to court to defend your tool and process. For the org that can&#x27;t be be bothered to have a barebone customer service, I&#x27;m not sure how this will workout.
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theogravity将近 2 年前
Docusign stock doesn&#x27;t seem to have taken a hit (yet):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;quote&#x2F;DOCU&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;quote&#x2F;DOCU&#x2F;</a>
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rodolphoarruda将近 2 年前
The only chance for it to fly among the SMB in Brazil where DocuSign and ClickSign are the major players is by adding WhatsApp to the signature workflow. Notifications via email alone won&#x27;t work.
xnx将近 2 年前
Happy to see more useful features added to tools I already use. Along with improvements to Google Forms, I expect a lot of light DocuSign and JotForm users will cancel their subscriptions.
mr_toad将近 2 年前
For a tiny moment I thought this might be about making cryptographic signatures available to the masses. A sign that there’s still some good left in Google.<p>I should have known better.
hintymad将近 2 年前
The top items in my wishlist are spreadsheet-like formula anywhere in a gdoc, spreadsheet-like tables, and support of Latex or MathJax. That is, keep up with Quip.
shallichange将近 2 年前
No x509 certificates involved?<p>In countries with legally binding digital signatures (I.e. Argentina) you need a cert issued following identity verification.
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awinter-py将近 2 年前
&#x27;in tandem with our shrinking ambitions the size of company we are considering cloning is also shrinking&#x27;
xmly将近 2 年前
Bad news for DocuSign
DiskError_将近 2 年前
Finally, I was wondering when Google Docs was going to implement this. eSignature platforms had a solid boom in the past ten years, but they all seemed to gatekeep rudimentary features behind tiered paywalls.
namanaggarwal将近 2 年前
Will this be admissible in court of law ? I know docusign is.<p>On what basis is it determined that particular signing tech is admissable
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homero将近 2 年前
What&#x27;s an e-sign anyway? It&#x27;s basically an IP address that&#x27;s often a VPN now
s-xyz将近 2 年前
Bye bye Docusign?
fifteen1506将近 2 年前
RIP Dropbox
crooked-v将近 2 年前
The important question is, when is Google going to kill this functionality? DocuSign only has to hold out until then.
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I_am_tiberius将近 2 年前
No pricing === you are the product
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alberth将近 2 年前
Locked account.<p>I can only imagine the pain this will cause people when they try to execute&#x2F;sign a contract, and Google randomly locks your account … preventing you from logging in.