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What Makes Music Sound Good? (2010) [pdf]

100 点作者 lopespm将近 2 年前

15 条评论

scrozier将近 2 年前
As a musician and a computer scientist, I&#x27;m always interested when music stuff gets posted here. I looked this guy up; he&#x27;s a bona fide composer, apparently. He looks at music in a very technical way that doesn&#x27;t sound much (to me) like how musicians talk about music. He also says some wrong things. For example, &quot;We cannot identify the interval between two notes just by listening.&quot; Um, yes, you bloody well can. In fact, &quot;ear training&quot; is a core skill in music theory education.<p>And he counts rhythms starting with zero. If you did this with any group of musicians, they would shout you out of the room. Imagine Mick Jagger yelling, &quot;Zero, one, two, three!&quot;<p>I&#x27;m not saying he doesn&#x27;t have his reasons, but these sorts of things incline me to think he&#x27;s not in the mainstream of musical culture. Which is fine, of course, but may be misleading to readers who think they&#x27;re getting traditional musical information.
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SeanLuke将近 2 年前
&gt; Most Western instruments produce “harmonic” sounds that, when analyzed as Fourier described, have relatively strong lower overtones f, 2f, 3f, 4f. The overtones of several of these sounds will match when their fundamental frequencies are related by simple whole-number ratios.<p>I&#x27;ve always had problems with existing consonance theories along these lines, probably out of ignorance. I believe that consonance probably has something to do with partial relationships. But it always has seemed the existing theory regarding consonance and partials is half baked at best.<p>Harmonic sounds have partials at f, 2f, 3f, 4f, and so on. So let&#x27;s take C and G, a perfect fifth. Will say f = C. So C&#x27;s sawtooth has partials of<p>f 2f 3f 4f 5f 6f ...<p>G, at a perfect fifth, is 3&#x2F;2 the frequency of C. So it has partials at<p>3&#x2F;2f 3f 9&#x2F;2f 6f 15&#x2F;2f 9f 21&#x2F;2f 12f ...<p>The only overlaps are 3f, 6f, 9f, 12f. That&#x27;s pretty thin gruel given how fast these partials drop of in amplitude (for a sawtooth, a partial at xf drops off as 1&#x2F;x)<p>Now consider E, a major 3 and also considered highly consonant. This is 5&#x2F;4. So we have<p>5&#x2F;4 5&#x2F;2 15&#x2F;4 5 25&#x2F;4 15&#x2F;2 35&#x2F;4 10 ...<p>That&#x27;s an overlap of just 5, 10, ... with a super fast dropoff.<p>Now consider Eb, a minor 3 and also consonant. This is, wait, Eb can&#x27;t be approximated in rational values at all, um....<p>And if you just have sine waves, rather than sawtooth or whatnot, they consist of a single partial so there&#x27;s never any overlap -- you&#x27;re back to the pythagorean square 1.
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cousin_it将近 2 年前
&gt; <i>Conjunct melodic motion. Melodies tend to move by short distances from note to note. Large leaps sound inherently unmelodic.</i><p>I wonder about this. Many folk musics have independently arrived at the pentatonic, and music in pentatonic is really quite jumpy. Listen to some jigs or reels and you&#x27;ll be startled by how much the melody jumps around. In contrast, if you want to find very smooth melodic motion with long scale passages, approaches by semitone and so on, you&#x27;ll find it much more in Bach than in folk or modern pop. So smooth melody might be more of a minority taste.<p>Or consider the song Axel F. It&#x27;s pretty much the perfect pop hook, all producers dream of creating something like it and all listeners can instantly latch onto it. Yet it consists mostly of jumps, including a third, a fourth, a fifth, a sixth, and an octave.
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bandyaboot将近 2 年前
Another interesting aspect of this question is if you approach it from a human evolutionary perspective. The technical aspects of music are certainly interesting as well, but why have our brains been hard wired to respond to it?
optimalsolver将近 2 年前
Music scientist Phillip Dorrell has argued for the existence of currently hypothetical &quot;strong music,&quot; a class of musical stimuli presumably discoverable by strong AI.<p>Any property, in this case the rewarding effect of acoustic stimuli in humans, can be powerfully maximized. There must exist patterns in music-space that would have profoundly greater impact on human minds than those our low-wattage brains can find. So through a really powerful search and optimization process that can more efficiently explore remote, undiscovered regions of music-space, we could get musical stimuli more intense than anything previously imagined.<p>What these songs would sound like is the real mystery. Would they sound anything like the music we&#x27;re familiar with? Would they lead to musical wireheading?<p>It also seems a bad idea to measure musical goodness by, say, how many times humans will replay a certain audio file. If you use this measure, I don&#x27;t think you&#x27;ll end up with what you want at all.
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esafak将近 2 年前
The short version: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dmitri.mycpanel.princeton.edu&#x2F;whatmakesmusicsoundgood.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dmitri.mycpanel.princeton.edu&#x2F;whatmakesmusicsoundgoo...</a>
korginator将近 2 年前
Since the professor is also a composer, are there any examples of his own music? I&#x27;m unable to find anything except his lectures on YouTube. I&#x27;d really like to hear his take on good sounding music. As a former musician myself, I find my own tastes changing every year, and it&#x27;s very subjective.<p>Though he talks about the five properties, I tend to disagree with this generalisation - what I like at the moment really depends on my state of mind, mood, time of the day, and what I want to feel like after listening to a few songs. Sometimes I really get into songs with complex patterns and interesting time-signature changes, and at other times I simply settle with some Wes Montgomery. What sounded good to me this morning doesn&#x27;t work for me now. What I disliked five years ago is something I keep coming back to today.<p>Age contributes as a very significant factor to what sounds good. Speed metal or power metal was &quot;good&quot; in my teens and twenties, but these days I need to be in a very specific mood with specific energy levels to even consider some Pantera or Megadeth. On the other hand, I can easily get into Sepultura (&quot;Ratamahatta&quot;, &quot;Roots bloody roots&quot;, etc.) even though they are often much heavier, because there&#x27;s a kind of easy coexistence with their type of music that I find curious. There are other musicians I liked way back then, but you couldn&#x27;t pay me money to listen to them today - even the same songs I had on repeat.<p>Perhaps the prof is on theoretically sound footing, I&#x27;m a layman in this field, but I can&#x27;t experience what he describes.
diimdeep将近 2 年前
Even though one understands everything about what makes music sound good, this knowledge does not guarantee producing music that sounds good. (I looked at music produced by author of this pdf)
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codeulike将近 2 年前
I find this much more useful because it talks about _why_ intervals like the octave and fifth sound &#x27;right&#x27; and then explains how that influenced the evolution of the western scales (colloquially: why is the pattern of white&#x2F;black keys on a piano that particular pattern?)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eev.ee&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;15&#x2F;music-theory-for-nerds&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eev.ee&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;15&#x2F;music-theory-for-nerds&#x2F;</a><p>(posted to hn 7 years ago <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12528144">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12528144</a> )
humility将近 2 年前
Recently, I watched a documentary in which some characters sat in the middle of the jungle next to a gushing stream, only to be spellbound by the croaking of toads—sometimes solitary, sometimes in unison—for hours on end. I wonder if there&#x27;s a connection between the natural harmony of sounds and mental stimulation, or a sense of &#x27;mental peace&#x27; in a certain mental state, which music taps into as well?<p>Speaking as someone totally new to music theory, I found it quite interesting to arrive at this question.
cushpush将近 2 年前
Recently I started a fresh music newsletter (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;letter.remuse.co" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;letter.remuse.co</a>) and I have been placing spectrograms for the tracks that get featured, so you can visualize the song as you listen along.
willprice89将近 2 年前
&gt; These five properties make an enormous difference to our immediate experience; in fact, you can take completely random notes and make them sound reasonably musical, simply by forcing them to conform to these requirements.<p>Any examples of this? Amazing if true.
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holri将近 2 年前
This is not what music makes sound good. Music sounds good if it is expressing human emotions that are resonating within us. In terms of IT: A syntacticaly and grammaticaly correct computer program is not automaticaly a good program.
ransackdev将近 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;DAcjV60RnRw" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;DAcjV60RnRw</a>
heroku将近 2 年前
H is there a service that can produce speech of short statements through a prompt?