Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

I want to make this random off-topic comment: For years I&#x27;ve been collecting various audio clips, where &quot;environmental&quot; sound (voice, noise, etc.) transitions into music, or vise versa, in songs, movies and TV shows. I&#x27;ve searched the web and the closest term I can find is &quot;diegetic switch&quot;, but not quite. Here&#x27;s the (short) list:<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;9j9bVl3rfNk?t=29" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;9j9bVl3rfNk?t=29</a> In The Defenders, repeated piano note transitions into background music.<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;isZyX1xd1VQ?t=159" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;isZyX1xd1VQ?t=159</a> (The Great American Nightmare - Rob Zombie)<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;pU_mZ1X69Ho?t=364" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;pU_mZ1X69Ho?t=364</a> (Out of Control - Miraculix)<p>- Justice League the movie where the song &quot;Everybody Knows&quot; transitions into the ambulance siren. Sorry I can&#x27;t find this footage.

&gt;<i>Open the song Aerodynamic and fast-forward to 2:28, start listening to the passage. I hear the higher pitch on my right and the lower one on my left ear. What about you?</i><p>tbh I&#x27;m not sure which notes they&#x27;re referring to here. There are a couple overlapping high&#x2F;low pairs in that segment, and I&#x27;m not sure which is the octave&#x2F;those frequencies.<p>One seems like higher is more in my left, but it clearly follows the left speaker on my headphones. The others warble around for me, though I&#x27;m pretty strongly right handed.<p>---<p>Even after reading and listening to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Octave_illusion" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Octave_illusion</a> I&#x27;m totally lost as to what this post or wikipedia are describing. Are people hearing like:<p><pre><code> left ear right ear ------------------------- high (nothing in right ear) low high low </code></pre> or something else? I mostly hear:<p><pre><code> left ear central right ear -------------------------------------- high low low low low high high low low low low high </code></pre> I&#x27;m definitely hearing &quot;low&quot; while hearing &quot;high&quot; on the opposite ear, though it feels like there&#x27;s a basically constant central &quot;low&quot; as well. The high tone clearly moves between sides.<p>Maybe worth mentioning: I&#x27;ve had a hearing test in the past year and I&#x27;m essentially completely balanced, so there likely isn&#x27;t a tone-deafness issue on one side that could cause a reception imbalance. Could the illusion just be hearing damage? And then handedness just follows which ear takes more damage due to more noisy things happening &#x2F; less protection on that side? That could also explain why left-handed people are less strongly sided, as they&#x27;re forced to do things more balanced due to right-hand-only stuff existing.

This is a better demonstration of octave illusion, I had no clue wtf the article meant until I listened to this:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=IMMsK9rjBWo">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=IMMsK9rjBWo</a><p>But I heard the lower tone in the middle of my head and higher tone bouncing from left to right. Not the &quot;low on one side, high on the other side&quot; article mentioned.<p>Kinda interesting to think some people might hear completely different thing in same song...

One that mix engineers use a lot and that is not mentioned is the Haas Effect. (micro delay between left and right channel that gives a stereo sensation to a mono source)

First off, I love Daft Punk and I’ve heard all of these song countless times.<p>But, sorry, I don’t buy it. I am aware of the talking piano effect, but even the wiki page [0] says it’s a vocoder, which is something entirely different.<p>Similar to other commenters here [1], I don’t hear the pattern described for the octave effect either.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robot_Rock_(song)https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robot_Rock_(song)" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robot_Rock_(song)https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en....</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37104083">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37104083</a>

I wonder how many folks that spend thousands of hours in front of a synthesizer or making electronic music or beats have identified similar illusions but don&#x27;t really think of it as something &#x27;interesting&#x27;. Like, &#x27;oh yeah if you do this it kind of sounds like that&#x27;. Probably a whole catalog of tricks.

Would someone please send him a tweet telling him that you can start videos specific timestamps on YouTube by adding &quot;&amp;t=0s&quot; where 0 is the desired number of seconds to the URL? I&#x27;m not making a new Twitter acct just to contact a person who has &quot;Contact Follow me at Twitter: @ugu_rs&quot; as the only means of such on their blog

for the Robot Rock one, the author should&#x27;ve clarified that it&#x27;s not referring to the actual `rock. robot rock` voice part, but the part where the guitar chords <i>sound like that</i>. skip to about 1:50 in the linked video to hear the robot voice, then listen to how similar just the guitar chords after 2:00 <i>sound like</i> the robot voice saying `rock. robot rock.`

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;1oD2DWf4CjQ" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;1oD2DWf4CjQ</a><p>Com Truise - Fairlight<p>I wouldn&#x27;t call this an illusion as much as an interesting effect. Put on a good pair of headphones and listen to the intro at moderately high volume. There&#x27;s a buzzing note in there that seems to resonate in a way that feels like it&#x27;s coming from inside your head or maybe even your throat.

The Brainstorm&#x2F;Green-Needle auditory illusion is more noticeable: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=g88BXUhR2a4">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=g88BXUhR2a4</a>

I’ll have to figure out which Daft Punk song I’m thinking of, but there was this segment where I swear there’s this really swingy chord progression but when slowed down to study it turns out to be the same chord repeated over and over. It’s the other voices that are progressing.

In a similar vein, here&#x27;s an analysis of the illusion in Radiohead&#x27;s Videotape I found interesting.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;p_IHotHxIl8" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;p_IHotHxIl8</a>

There&#x27;s one weird thing that I&#x27;ve noticed with Daft Punk&#x27;s The Brainwasher, my brain has two different interpretations for the main loop offset:<p>If starting here, I hear a loop that starts with fast notes and then has a silence. (warning: loud) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;RdVEQbWjaTE?t=91" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;RdVEQbWjaTE?t=91</a><p>If starting a few seconds earlier, the previous melody seems to fuse with the part that starts at 1:30, and it sounds different, like a bit slower. (warning: loud) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;RdVEQbWjaTE?t=80" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;RdVEQbWjaTE?t=80</a><p>Not sure if that makes sense, hopefully some one else also hears both versions! I&#x27;m assuming it may have to do with interpreting the last note of the loop as part of the next one, but it could be something else too. It really is a brainwash :P

Slightly offtopic:<p>One of my favourite comments on Youtube I saw was on some RATATAT song (probably Wildcat?), AFAIR:<p>&quot;Those guitars are definitely trying to tell me something. I can&#x27;t get a word but they do sing!&quot;<p>And if you enjoy Daft Punk but never heard of RATATAT then you def should try, first albums for a more raw and hard sound, later ones for more electronic sound.

I have a weird auditory illusion that happens to me ; I have tinnitus, and a super weird auditory response thing that happens to me occassionally:<p>So when I cant hear the high-pitched tinnitus squeal (very low volume, but still hear it) - there is something weird that happens which is that I can &quot;hear&quot; some sort of radio station - which plays music in the really faintest and far away sounding volume...<p>The other thing that happens, is that when laying in bed, attempting to sleep - there are times that when the house makes a &quot;creak&quot; sound of settling or whatever (you know how your wall may &#x27;pop&#x27; or &#x27;creak&#x27; at times - but the weird thing is that it simultaneously coincides with a pop and a flinch of my body, or &#x27;sound&#x27; in my head.<p>There are times when this happens and I get a bright flash in my closed-eyes...<p>Anyone know what this is? Sodium defficiency? or aliens?

Not sure if it counts as an illusion but one that comes to mind is Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood. There&#x27;s a line &quot;remember that it&#x27;s all in your head&quot; that was mixed in a way that phase cancellation will make it inaudible on mono playback.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=1V_xRb0x9aw&amp;t=176s">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=1V_xRb0x9aw&amp;t=176s</a> Now go and install: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-GB&#x2F;firefox&#x2F;addon&#x2F;soundfixer&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-GB&#x2F;firefox&#x2F;addon&#x2F;soundfixer&#x2F;</a> and set output to mono and replay it.

Funny about them: I can hear the words <i>either</i> as &quot;Mexican lucky&quot; or &quot;to get lucky&quot; (the correct lyrics) depending on what I want to hear. Usually, once you know the right words, you can&#x27;t hear anything else.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boards.straightdope.com&#x2F;t&#x2F;who-is-mexican-lucky-and-why-is-he-up-for-him&#x2F;740327" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boards.straightdope.com&#x2F;t&#x2F;who-is-mexican-lucky-and-w...</a>

Perhaps it&#x27;s not really a &quot;talking&quot; instrument (as an actual voice is modulating), but Peter Frampton always comes to mind.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=y7rFYbMhcG8&amp;t=345s">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=y7rFYbMhcG8&amp;t=345s</a>

This article is horribly written and executed for many reasons, but the primary one being that the vast majority of the music credited as Daft Punk is just sampled music from other artists. You can eloquently see this broken down here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;lBSWw7RdZLk" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;lBSWw7RdZLk</a><p>At least get the original works correct.

i have always felt some unexplained effect while listening to Veridis Quo [1]. the melody start sounding different from the 0:38 mark, just as the kicks come in. it seems like some supporting keys are added with the kicks, to make the sound more full, but at the same time it could be my brain getting tricked.<p>sorry for botching the explanation, i have never studied music.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=TCd6PfxOy0Y">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=TCd6PfxOy0Y</a>

I am not sure I buy the argument here, but I really enjoyed listening these three Daft Punk songs!

TIL the term “brown study”

my favorite are shepard tones, which literally look like the barber pole illusion in a spectrogram.

&quot;...Their albums have a variety of musical diversity...&quot;<p>I like Daft Punk, but I, and they, I&#x27;m sure, never described themselves as such. It&#x27;s worth addressing this sentence, it being an early sentence.