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Is Venus in some way tidally locked to Earth? (2020)

128 点作者 shmde超过 1 年前

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angiosperm超过 1 年前
I like that there was no way even to guess that this coincidence occurred until we became able to scan Venus with radar. Visually, all faces of Venus are indistinguishable.<p>I wonder whether we have the moon to thank for Earth having retained a short day, and the short day for our magnetic field. Big moons of inner terrestrial planets must be vanishingly rare in the galaxy. If terrestrial planets with magnetic fields are uniquely suited to breed up complex life, that might by itself account for the Fermi paradox.<p>But I don&#x27;t know how to evaluate the notion that our gross moon has protected Earth from the near tidal locking Mercury and Venus suffer.
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numlocked超过 1 年前
Interesting! Both the phenomenon itself, and the fact that there are two totally different explanations in the answers (“yes”, and “no - it’s a coincidence”), and it therefore seems the true answer is “we aren’t sure”.
NeoTar超过 1 年前
If you are interested in patterns in the solar-system, then check out the Titus-Bode Law: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Titius–Bode_law" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Titius–Bode_law</a><p>Basically the inner planets seem to follow a pattern in their spacing from the Sun - and some of the outer-planets which were actually discovered after the law...<p>...but it&#x27;s not a great correlation, and you need to have some hacks (e.g. including Ceres as a planet) to make it work...<p>So, mainstream Astronomy has relegated it to the edges of the field, and into the realm of amateurs and crackpots.<p>It&#x27;s interesting though that apparently a similar pattern in the distances between planets seems to occur in those systems with multiple extrasolar planets that we have observed. But it <i>still</i> may be a mathematical artefact.
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drojas超过 1 年前
If it is a coincidence then perhaps this case of &quot;correlation is not causation&quot; is explained by both planets having some magnetic interaction with the sun and perhaps the interaction with the sun determines rotational behavior of planets (speculation). I read sometime ago about &quot;magnetic flux ropes&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.frontiersin.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;10.3389&#x2F;fspas.2020.605957&#x2F;full" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.frontiersin.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;10.3389&#x2F;fspas.2020.6059...</a><p>Also I read time ago there is a &quot;cometary&quot; aspect to venus and it&#x27;s &quot;tail&quot; touches the earth, which might also be in the same realm of physics (electromagnetic interactions leading to rotational behavior)
t8sr超过 1 年前
tl;dr: Consider the birthday paradox.<p>In astronomy we call these resonances. Sometimes, two seemingly unrelated periodic events will occur together, synchronized by a ratio between some small integers.<p>I think the most typical example is the one they teach you in the first Solar System 101 class to wow you (it works): the 3:2 resonance between the orbits of Pluto and Neptune.<p>Sometimes it might turn out to be a coincidence with more accurate measurements, or when you find evidence that this moment in time might be somehow unusual.<p>For example, Earth and Venus also seem to be in 8:13 orbital resonance, but, in fact probably aren&#x27;t. On closer inspection, it turns out that there is error of about 0.4% after 8 years and it compounds. It takes a while to compound, but effectively you can&#x27;t use this &quot;near resonance&quot; to predict where the two will be in their orbits in a few thousand years.<p>In fact, with enough bodies in the solar system and the birthday paradox, there are many compelling candidate resonances with small integer ratios, but the majority of them are probably just random coincidences.
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musicale超过 1 年前
I knew astrology was real. ;-)
DoreenMichele超过 1 年前
Prepare to openly and unabashedly hate on me and hit your downvote button:<p>Some post here at some point did some analysis that concluded that Mercury was &quot;the closest&quot; or something for every planet for some analysis or other because Mercury is closest to the Sun.<p>Both Mercury and Venus are closer to the Sun than Earth is and if you study astrology this means Mercury is never more than one sign away from your Sun sign and Venus is never more than two signs away and both very regularly appear to &quot;run backwards&quot; (called <i>retrograde</i> in astrology).<p>Which is where you got those bizarre and complicated geocentric models of the solar system from before someone said &quot;Oh, wait, if you assume the Sun is at the center of this, not the Earth, then it vastly simplifies everything and makes sense a la Occam&#x27;s Razor&#x2F;find the simplest explanation.&quot;<p>Astrology and astronomy used to both be studied as one subject under the heading <i>astrologia</i> and astrology means &quot;the study of the stars&quot; and astronomy just means &quot;the naming of the stars&quot; presumably because when the two split it was sort of a pointless hobby for people rich enough to own a telescope and if you found a new one, you got to name it.<p>Anyway, the point being, Venus and the Earth are -- shockingly -- both locked in orbit around the Sun, thus the phrase &quot;solar system,&quot; and as a wild assed guess from some ignoramous who mostly is interested in astrology, not astronomy, that there is your so-called &quot;tidal locking&quot; mechanism.
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