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Europa the Tech Third World

31 点作者 hamdouni超过 1 年前

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dzonga超过 1 年前
maybe something to do with current european culture in general.<p>maybe there was a huge cultural shift after world war 2. people&#x27;s psyche got damaged and priorities changed.<p>as someone who was born in a former british colony. then lived in the us.and now live in the uk.<p>what I find within european countries is a lack of urgency.<p>in america for example - something as moving around cities - you can easily secure a place i.e sign a lease etc all within 2 days. hell even do it without seeing the place if your appetite for risk is high.<p>on both the seller end &#x2F; buyer end there&#x27;s always a sense of urgency. of making things happen.<p>in east asia it is the same. e.g in tw you can sign a lease for an apartment without speaking a lick of chinese. and the landlord going off on your word.<p>in uk or europe that can be whole bureaucratic mess - that can easily take two weeks or even longer.<p>social life is the same - in the us &#x2F; if you meet someone you gel with social wise could be business or pleasure. there is a sense of urgency in making things happen fast e.g meeting up for coffee or setting business meeting really quickly. in europe - there&#x27;s a sense of rigidness. an extra busyness that doesn&#x27;t make sense.<p>maybe due to current political climate - europeans wanna be extra polite.<p>but then again this is based on my personal experience and interpretation of it.
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zirgs超过 1 年前
Funny how &quot;tech work&quot; is associated with working for companies that spy on everyone and show ads (FB, Google) instead of companies that actually provide tools to manufacture tech stuff (Dassault Systemes).
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throwaway295729超过 1 年前
Having been born and raised in America, and now living in Europe, there is something to say about the quality of life improvement that comes with a slightly slower pace.
yhavr超过 1 年前
&gt; significantly lags the US and China as a tech power.<p>&gt; US and China<p>Notoriously famous for their awesome work culture.<p>No, thank you. Another useless tech doesn&#x27;t worth my mental health. Especially with the ability of working remotely and not being tied to the local market.
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yaky超过 1 年前
From my own perspective, many of open-source, useful, and interesting tech has European roots. Starting with Linux and Torvalds (from Helsinki), to Conversations.im XMPP client (by Daniel Gultsch, German), Matrix.org Foundation (based in the UK), and FairPhone (Netherlands).
ohgodplsno超过 1 年前
Whoever is behind that account is either american or a moron. Every other tweet brings in more critically stupid takes.<p>1&#x2F; It fixates on venture capital, which is widely proven to be about the most awful way of getting progress. Most VC backed enterprises are either failures, useless (woo yet another SaaS to send emails dynamically generated on your SPA website), or bleeding money. A few, extremely rare exceptions aside (read: where you already know the VCs that will give you the money), venture capital is about the worst option for research.<p>2&#x2F; Uses the Shangai ranking as gospel when it&#x27;s a completely worthless and arbitrary ranking, that only rewards you for huge universities that do everything. Europe was dragged in this bullshit, and now instead of having hundreds of very specialized, very efficient universities, we have dozens of massive, inefficient mega universities.<p>3&#x2F; Splits the EU into individual countries when it&#x27;s convenient to make it look bad (share of publications in Nature, where, if added up, the bars would be the same size as China, size of economies as if a country with 70 million inhabitants was expected to match 330m&#x2F;1b&#x2F;1.2b), and groups it when it&#x27;s convenient too (&quot;why can&#x27;t Europe do X&quot;, conveniently forgetting that&#x27;s it&#x27;s 28 countries in a trenchcoat).<p>4&#x2F; Acknoledges that most top AI experts and researchers come from Europe, as a testament to the quality of the universities, only uses it to say hurr durr they work in the US.<p>5&#x2F; Actually, mostly only acknowledges AI as a scientific research subject, ignoring and insulting thousands of researchers.<p>6&#x2F; &quot;Only one of the top 10 tech companies in the world is in Europe&quot;, conveniently forgetting that said company is the absolute foundation of every other tech company. Take ASML out, and the tech world doesn&#x27;t exist.<p>7&#x2F; GROWTH GROWTH GROWTH GROWTH GROWTH. ONLY GROWTH MATTERS. Ignore the costs, both social and environmental.<p>8&#x2F; Cherry picks the international math olympiads to broadly say that everyone wants to go to the US. I guess high schoolers are &quot;everyone&quot; now. They&#x27;re also obviously the best and most well informed people as to the life conditions in the US. I too did want to leave to the US when I was 18. Then I realized it&#x27;s mostly a shithole I would rather avoid.<p>Yes, Europe is slow, conservative, risk averse. But my fucking god if that thread isn&#x27;t a load of bullshit, followed by a few tweets of &quot;but it&#x27;s not only bad huh hehe healthcare&quot;.
TrackerFF超过 1 年前
Every time these threads pop up people need to be reminded that Europe isn&#x27;t one homogenous country - European countries can be wildly different, with completely different cultures and views on how their resources are spent.
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croes超过 1 年前
So lots of quantity comparisons, only private funding considerations and single EU countries vs US vs China.<p>Reminds me of the GDP comparison between US and EU without the consideration of the debt.
hunglee2超过 1 年前
Europe has regulation though, and we have seen how this can influence the direction of travel of certainly US tech companies. It&#x27;s maybe the only ace card Europeans have but if US cannot &#x2F; will not sell to China, there aren&#x27;t many other games (markets) in town for US Corps that want to grow.
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CM30超过 1 年前
A lot of this is likely due to funding for ambitious projects&#x2F;startups&#x2F;new businesses being a lot harder to come by in Europe compared to the US. European investors seem hesitant to invest in consumer facing companies, and often prefer traditional businesses in &#x27;proven&#x27; markets (b2b services, luxury goods, etc). US ones are at least somewhat willing to invest big in crazier ideas with the assumption it might not pay off for a decade or so.<p>The market conditions likely have a part to play too. With salaries for high end work being so much higher in the US than Europe (see tech salaries in Silicon Valley vs just about anywhere in Europe for example), the most competent, skilled people tend to be drawn to the US where their skills are rewarded more.
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Ekaros超过 1 年前
Why not also split USA to different states in these graphs?<p>Also, I&#x27;m not entirely sure market cap is truly the most effective metric in valuing technology...
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wewxjfq超过 1 年前
No venture capital for juicers and no paper mills.<p>If you want to widen your horizon, maybe you should ask how Europe can produce working mRNA vaccines and level 3 autonomous cars at a fraction of the cost.
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veave超过 1 年前
Yeah, but we have cookie banners. Take that!
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local_issues超过 1 年前
Maybe they’ll stop telling us how stupid we are for our provincial American choices soon.<p>Maybe these stupid policies are the reason we built the modern world.
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