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Fewer university students are studying Mandarin

58 点作者 NN88超过 1 年前

15 条评论

jamesaurichs超过 1 年前
There is 0 reason to learn mandarin if you&#x27;re doing it for travel&#x2F;business reasons<p>In Taiwan street signs do mostly have English translations. A lot of citizens speak English, especially night market vendors. You&#x27;ll also have a lot of native English speakers in Taipei due to expatriation from US and Canada.<p>In Singapore signs officially are in English. And it&#x27;s one of the four official languages, which means most people speaks English.<p>In Malaysia people usually speak at least 4 languages. Because it was ruled by Britain before, people speak English fairly well.<p>Lastly, in China, well, nobody is traveling there now. International travel is down 97% this year, even after reopening. And if you&#x27;re doing business there, well, there&#x27;s no point understanding the contract in Mandarin because most likely it won&#x27;t be enforced, and will favor local business anyways by the courts. What&#x27;s really screwy is the government has replaced most of the English translation on street signs from a literal translation to phonetic translation of the mandarin sound. So even if your read the English part of the sign you cannot understand it.
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nmfisher超过 1 年前
I can probably provide some perspective on this given I:<p>- studied Chinese at university in both Australia and China<p>- worked there for about 5 years<p>- have a mobile app for learning Chinese [0]<p>I think the biggest difference between when I started learning (20+ years ago) and now is that China is no longer seen as a positive, growing force in the world economy. I started learning because I thought it would be useful for business in future, and I was probably right - up until around 2012.<p>Since then, the country became increasingly hostile to foreigners, foreign companies decided to cut their losses and pull out, the internet ecosystem has become worse and worse and visas are becoming increasingly difficult to obtain. China doesn&#x27;t have much in the way of soft power (unlike, say, Korea), so it&#x27;s just not a top destination for anyone coming from overseas.<p>That being said, there&#x27;s also been a huge outflow of Mandarin speakers to other countries (like Australia), and Mandarin is becoming the default second language at junior&#x2F;primary schools.<p>Mandarin is always going to be relevant (I mean, there&#x27;s more than a billion speakers - it&#x27;s not like they&#x27;re going to vanish overnight). But I do agree that the language is becoming less &quot;useful&quot;, because there are fewer and fewer prospects for working in China. Even international tourism is becoming less and leas attractive.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;polyvox.app" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;polyvox.app</a>
MaxwellKahn超过 1 年前
As an American born person with some Chinese heritage, it&#x27;s interesting to see this trend play out in myself alongside wider society.<p>When I was growing up, my parents and relatives would constantly try to convince me to learn my ethnic language, half to know my roots and half to catch the &quot;China train&quot;.<p>In university, I took it upon myself to take Mandarin courses for several years, but only got to middling competency.<p>Now, as the years go on, I find that once innate desire to &quot;one day learn Mandarin&quot; gradually fade away. In terms of usefulness: - it seems less and less likely that I&#x27;ll ever live in China for a significant length of time due to all the common reasons others in the thread are mentioning - I have many international Chinese friends, but our friendships are based on cultural affinity rather than linguistic affinity, so they&#x27;re perfectly fine switching to English whenever we need to talk about something complex.<p>It&#x27;s interesting, but many of my American peers of Chinese heritage are actually learning Korean or Japanese, which would have been extremely rare 10 years ago.
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diego_moita超过 1 年前
Easy:<p>10 years ago Western companies though they could and should make businesses in China.<p>Today, even many Chinese companies believe that China is not a good place for making business (e.g: AliBaba, Ever Grande, Country Garden, Tencent, etc).<p>Slightly off-topic: about 15 years ago Golman Sachs would say that the BRICS were the next countries to become rich.<p>Guess what...<p>Brazil and South Africa reverted back to its historical kleptocracy, Russia to autocracy, China to communism and India stuck in its economic protectionism.
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version_five超过 1 年前
It&#x27;s sad, I think people wanting to learn a language represents some kind of hope, and 10 years ago we were overall bullish on increased international collaboration. Now things have become way more insular, a future of international collaboration between superpowers seems way less likely. It&#x27;s really sad.
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fn-mote超过 1 年前
I can&#x27;t understand this impulse. It seems blindingly clear to me that the international influence of China is rising and will continue to rise, and the need for Mandarin-English bilingual work will continue to skyrocket. If you do not believe that China is going to be an even more massive world power in the coming decades, then I guess I understand the drop in interest. I just cannot <i>fathom</i> how that could happen, though.<p>The article puts some import on &quot;soft power&quot;... but is the economic rise of China really going to be <i>soft</i> power? The manufacturing capacity in China is amazing. We&#x27;re not talking about exporting cultural goods. It&#x27;s real goods and real power.<p>The money quote for me:<p>&gt; The market may have also got more competitive. Bilingual Chinese graduates now fill many of the jobs that require Mandarin. In terms of language skills, they are often more qualified than their Western counterparts. All Chinese children start learning English by age eight, some even earlier. University-entrance exams in China require a high level of proficiency.<p>So basically, the US students are being out-competed by the Chinese students. Learning Mandarin is not incentivized in the US.<p>I do not look forward to a time when all the important jobs require Mandarin proficiency, and none of the US graduates have the skills to occupy those positions.<p>I look forward to deeper comments or at least substantiated refutations.
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NN88超过 1 年前
Soft power matters. &quot;Cool&quot; matters. China will always struggle against freer and more open societies that bring people into their culture, music, art, and other forms of expression. The comparison to what Japan and South Korea have done should be a wake up call for these places. Even Russia doesn&#x27;t have the cultural cachet it did during the Cold War.
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nonethewiser超过 1 年前
It&#x27;s just not that useful. It&#x27;s only useful in China and foreigners can&#x27;t really conduct business there. It&#x27;s basically only useful if you move to China which is just a handful of people and shrinking at this point.
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Bjemslev超过 1 年前
I am going to climb onto the reasonal branch of &quot;mfs still got multiple concentration camps in 2023&quot; as a intuition for peeps not learning their language
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ftyers超过 1 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;LX0HP" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;LX0HP</a>
marc_abonce超过 1 年前
The article mentions that &quot;the study of modern languages is falling across the board in many rich countries&quot; so this phenomenon is not exclusive to Chinese.<p>I think it&#x27;s part of a larger trend of people choosing not to learn any language besides English because they think that everything else is &quot;useless&quot;.<p>The article also mentions Korean as an exception, but it only shows the increase as a percentage. I wonder how many people are actually learning Korean though, because otherwise this could be like that xkcd joke about the fastest growing religion.
MJsGlove超过 1 年前
China has peaked. Anyone studying mandarin will be like those studying Japanese at the peak of Japan Inc. in the 80s. Globalization was a great time for some while it lasted though, hope some of you of age have made money during the zenith.
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someguy7250超过 1 年前
That&#x27;s good. And I am biased. I personally liked American and Japanese culture better anyways.<p>Growing up in China, everyone I knew keeps telling me our culture is fake, reconstructed from a pile of burning books and detached from both history and modern life, at least ever since Cultural Revolution.<p>But frankly every country is having a cultural crisis today. I just want to preserve some things more. And yes I know that is biased.
pphysch超过 1 年前
Surely just a coincidence that Saudi Arabia announced this week that every secondary school will have Mandarin lessons.<p>The Economist being The Economist: owned by old rich European families in a rapidly changing world.
Brajeshwar超过 1 年前
Archived at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;LX0HP" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;LX0HP</a>