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For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

193 点作者 pretext将近 2 年前

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neonate将近 2 年前
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andrewstuart将近 2 年前
Home schooling is a real burden on many parents who aren&#x27;t professional teachers of course and are pulled in many directions.<p>One of the most exciting emerging trends in home schooling is to pool the resources of multiple home schooling parents.<p>It&#x27;s simply not practical for parents to commit all the hours needed for full time home schooling 9 till 3:30PM every day. So home schooling parents can team up and share the load a little bit. This means the kids gather together at one parents house because many kids can learn from the person doing the teaching. &quot;Grouped home schooling&quot; also solves the usual criticism of home schooling which is the lack of social contact between kids.<p>Often as well it makes sense for the parents all to contribute a little money so that instead of the parents having to teach things that they are not expert in, the can pay as a group for someone with subject expertise to assist.<p>It can be problematic though gathering so many kids into one house for group home schooling, so another exciting development in modern home schooling is when a location is found somewhere in the community for it to happen. Often there&#x27;s a room available at the church. Alternatively, if the parents pool an amount of money each then such a location can be leased long term and can be set up with desks and chairs for the kids to sit at.<p>When you combine all these forward looking advances in home schooling you can see that home schooling has come a long way since the 1970&#x27;s when kids sat at the kitchen table with mum teaching the lessons.<p>Exciting times for home schooling!
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jawns将近 2 年前
We are in our ninth year of homeschooling. My wife and I attended private and public schools and grew up with typical biases against homeschooling, e.g. they lack social skills. When we got married, we always assumed we&#x27;d send our kids to traditional schools.<p>What we learned, though, is that homeschooling has changed since we were in school. Back then, it was a niche, and the sort of parents who chose to homeschool usually existed on the fringe (and probably lacked social skills themselves).<p>Nowadays, there are a lot more &quot;normal&quot; families who choose to homeschool. Our family, and many others we&#x27;ve encountered, values and promotes social skills. Our kids attend co-ops, play sports, and do other activities with their peers.<p>And because the demographics of homeschoolers have changed, so too have the ways that they homeschool. It&#x27;s not very surprising that there is more collaborative teaching, where parents remain the primary educators, but certain subjects are outsourced to co-ops, online sessions on Outschool, etc.
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jkestner将近 2 年前
The reason we moved our kids from Montessori to public school is to throw our lot in with the majority of society. It’s made me active in the PTA and school library because up close it’s hard to ignore the challenges staff deal with, and with skin in the game, I don’t have the time to wait for someone else to do it.<p>Hopefully the work we put into the shared system raises the tide for all families, so my children grow up within a healthier community. (It already feels great working with other parents on it.) I recognize that it may not be academically ideal for my own kids, but studies (no time to cite) have noted that socioeconomic status is a top indicator of academic success. They’ll be fine.
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asimpleusecase将近 2 年前
“They have no oversight, no taxpayer accountability, no academic or curriculum standards,” said Beth Lewis, director of Save Our Schools Arizona, a public school advocacy group. “We don’t know what kids are learning.”<p>The irony is deep with this one.<p>It could be rephrased “They are not recognising our gatekeeper status nor participating in our bureaucratic processes and frankly that is just not fair. We especially object to our loss of exclusive access to tax payer funds. The idea that the tax payer themselves could have a direct say in how those funds are used in educating their children is just outrageous.”
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abnry将近 2 年前
I was homeschooled K-12. Even 15 years ago, my parents would say that they were like general contractors for my education. And it is really is true. I had a mix of co-op, community college, online, self-study, and parent-guided study for all my courses. This was more so for highschool and less so for primary or grade school, which was mostly directly taught by my mother. And as others have said, homeschooling is very, very time efficient. IIRC, during grade school I was done by lunch time (maybe one or two smaller things required).
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suzzer99将近 2 年前
“Eventually, something horrific is going to happen in one of these situations,” said Jen Garrison Stuber, advocacy chair the Washington Homeschool Organization. “A kid’s going to get killed, a kid’s going to get seriously injured or molested, because the safeguards that you have at a private school aren’t happening.”<p>Uhh, not that I&#x27;m a big homeschool advocate, but kids get molested and (now) killed all the time at public and private schools.
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lugu将近 2 年前
I was told thought public school was invented, not to instruct, not to educate but to emancipate kids. Giving them a chance to see the world from a different perspective from their family. One might call it endoctrinement, yes, but if you are confronted to two concurrent belief systems, you are more likely to see them for what they are.
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JackMorgan将近 2 年前
I&#x27;m pretty uniquely situated to discuss this:<p>- I was homeschooled from K-8 then went to regular school from 8-12<p>- I am a state certified middle school teacher in TX<p>- I taught 5th and 6th grade public school in TX and AK<p>- I&#x27;ve volunteered at a private democratic free school<p>- I&#x27;ve taught at the university level as a tutor and then as a assistant professor<p>American public schools use one of the worst pedagogical systems. If you do any research into the field, you are quickly confronted with uncomfortable realities like:<p>- Bloom&#x27;s Two Sigma problem: &quot;the educational phenomenon that the average student tutored one-to-one using mastery learning techniques performed two standard deviations better than students educated in a classroom environment.&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bloom%27s_2_sigma_problem" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bloom%27s_2_sigma_problem</a><p>- democratic free school students earn more than their peers and graduate from college at a higher rate<p>- some of the most respected educators in America have walked away from the public school system calling it a &quot;12-year jail sentence in which bad habits are the only curriculum truly learned&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cantrip.org&#x2F;gatto.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cantrip.org&#x2F;gatto.html</a><p>It is true that some homeschoolers graduate with below average social skills - but the same is true for half of all public school students. Some homeschoolers test behind the public school average - just like half of public school students. On the other hand, luminaries of our field point out that one on one tutoring (which often happens with home schoolers) more often produces students significantly ahead of public school classrooms.<p>There just is no way to have a classroom as effective as one on one tutoring. A parent who cares and does their best to organize all the amazing and free resources can easily match the quality of classroom instruction. And it doesn&#x27;t have to take 6+ hours a day. Plenty of homeschoolers test in the top 10% of their state with just an hour or two a day of effort. Even one hour a day per child can outpace a public school classroom.<p>Obviously homeschooling is not for every family. If you&#x27;ve got two working parents who commute, it might not work out without some kind of co-op or micro-school.<p>But if you are in the fence, homeschooling can be very effective. There&#x27;s plenty of sports, meetups, co-ops, social events, and free online resources. It&#x27;s possible to produce a fantastic education for your children without sending them to public school.<p>Public school should be thought of as the lowest common denominator to exceed, not the pinnacle to reach for. Don&#x27;t do what my mom tried for a few months and set up desks and try to lecture. You aren&#x27;t trying to remake a classroom with lectures and homework, you&#x27;re providing a rich environment filled with intrinsic motivation. You&#x27;re not trying to force your children to conform to the rigid and demotivational rules of public school, you&#x27;re freeing them to follow their own interests. You aren&#x27;t trying to make an educational cattle chute with easily graded standardized tests, you&#x27;re letting them grow and never lose that sense of wonder, creativity, and critical thinking.<p>Additional resources on how children often need very little instruction at all:<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KH-W5bk7sE0">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KH-W5bk7sE0</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FFAhWrLfm-0">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FFAhWrLfm-0</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.psychologytoday.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;blog&#x2F;freedom-learn&#x2F;201003&#x2F;when-less-is-more-the-case-teaching-less-math-in-school" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.psychologytoday.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;blog&#x2F;freedom-learn&#x2F;201003...</a>
MagicMoonlight将近 2 年前
So it&#x27;s not home schooling, it&#x27;s setting up a school without appropriate training or licences.
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giantg2将近 2 年前
As the bureaucracy and rhetoric at regular schools increases, so too will alternative options.
emodendroket将近 2 年前
Home schooling seems so harmful to socialization and such a vehicle for teaching ridiculous nonsense (or just not really teaching much of anything at all) that I think the countries that make it illegal have the right idea. It&#x27;s even more egregious that some states are, apparently, actually throwing money at completely unregulated &quot;micro-schools&quot; where you are taught by someone with no qualifications whatsoever.
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mattpallissard将近 2 年前
&gt; They have no oversight, no taxpayer accountability, no academic or curriculum standards,” said Beth Lewis, director of Save Our Schools Arizona, a public school advocacy group. “We don’t know what kids are learning.<p>That&#x27;s the point. As a homeschool parent I have to say; It&#x27;s. None. Of. Your. Business. It&#x27;s not the main reason we homeschool our 5 kids, but it&#x27;s important to us still.<p>We&#x27;ve been doing this for a decade now, across 3 states. Nearly all of the homeschool families I&#x27;ve met (high double digits) are high achievers who are going to be just fine on their own without strangers telling them what to do with their children.<p>Sidebar because Washington Post; We lived in Washington for a few years. WA has particularly onerous requirements around education in general when compared to the rest of the country. I&#x27;d go as far as to say that they&#x27;re completely bonkers.
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twodave将近 2 年前
If my wife and I were to put our 4 special needs kids into public school it would result in them having a bunch of unbelievably negative experiences:<p>- they would NOT receive a quality education or be taught to be self-learners.<p>- they would be passed along, even with failing grades, putting them further behind their peers, highlighted their differences and denying them their dignity.<p>- they would all end up in social situations that we ourselves would prefer to avoid. Not caused by their peers (though that can and does happen even in homeschooling families) but by the institutions that are responsible for public education<p>- we would spend just as much (if not more) time and effort fighting the system as we do just taking the reins.<p>If we want to get help for our kids, we literally have to pay thousands of dollars to get them each diagnosed with a mental handicap, because they aren’t cripple or have other readily-identifiable disabilities.<p>Still, we teach all of our kids as they’re capable that THEY are responsible for their own education. Anything else is a) a lie and b) setting them up for failure and a wrong sense of entitlement.
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BeetleB将近 2 年前
&gt; Home-schooled children have attended Ivy League schools and won national spelling bees. They have also been the victims of child abuse and severe neglect. Some are taught using the classics of ancient Greece, others with Nazi propaganda.<p>So ... just like kids in public school?<p>Somewhat orthogonal to the article: In my state a lot of people were forced to home-school during Covid, and a significant percentage of them continue to do so. They found the experience and outcomes a lot better than what they had been getting at the public school. I listened to their experiences on a local radio show, and was fairly disappointed with the home school curriculum - it was far more focused on alternative subjects not taught in schools, and quite a lot of the &quot;usual&quot; curriculum was omitted (very little math, for example, and if they did teach science, it was with a lot less rigor). It was almost 80-90% about &quot;experiential learning&quot; vs &quot;book learning&quot;. I get the value of experiential learning and do agree public schools have too little of it, but I fear these kids are being cheated out of the possibility of getting into STEM - there&#x27;s no way they can do anything in the hard sciences without some good foundations.<p>The other thing that always confounds me: Virtually every study out there shows that on average, by a certain age, home school kids outperform public school kids in most&#x2F;all arenas (social, academic, etc). At worst they perform at the same level. The parents are very happy with the outcomes. I&#x27;ve known homeschooled kids that are <i>easily</i> 2 grades ahead of where they would be at a typical public school - and with no social shortcomings whatsoever, but they may be outliers as the parents were brilliant themselves.<p>So, both anecdotal and research shows it to be superior. Yet most adults I&#x27;ve met who were home schooled as a kid are unhappy with their parents&#x27; choice.[1] I suspect it is akin to how most people overvalue what they don&#x27;t have, seeing only the benefits of what they&#x27;ve been deprived and not the downsides.<p>[1] Although as I write this, I realize I should account for the fact that many&#x2F;most kids really <i>hate</i> their school experience - particularly high school. So perhaps the home schooled kids aren&#x27;t any less satisfied with their education experience than typical public school kids.
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iambateman将近 2 年前
A couple things to pull out…<p>(1) sometimes alternative education is worse.<p>There’s no question that, in some cases, alternative school is worse for a child’s development than standard public school. I’ve personally seen children who were falling behind because their parents were not equipped to teach them in high school.<p>(2) it can sometimes be better.<p>Alternative school is higher variance than public school - the children who do poorly probably do worse while it can be spectacular for some children.<p>We shouldn’t ignore that a relatively large percentage of homeschooled kids emerge at or near genius level. For kids for whom homeschooling works, it <i>really</i> works.<p>(3) policy should encourage choice.<p>On average, the US public school system is mediocre by world standards and in some parts of the country it’s an utter failure. Parents should be trusted with the care and education of their children because they’re in the best position to know what their child needs. Certainly some regulation around that freedom is in order, but we should expect more competition to produce more growth from a policy standpoint.<p>Just like capitalism is the best-bad economic system we have, parent-choice is the best-bad educational system. Some parents will fail at their job and others will not. But centrally planned educational systems have massive problems, and parents must be allowed to opt out of those problems as their only real form of accountability.<p>(4) we should avoid drawing conclusions from individual stories.<p>When something bad happens at a public school - kid fails, someone gets shot, drugs are found, some one gets pregnant, there’s a fight - we accept those as being part of life, not a problem with public school. But when something bad happens to a homeschooler, we tend to wonder if the _system_ of homeschooling is broken. But the reality is that those stories are likely more surprising but probably not more common than the bad things which happen at a public high school.<p>In the story, someone is quoted as saying “Eventually, something horrific is going to happen in one of these situations.” Which may be true and I hope we can find a way to avoid anything bad happening to anyone. But let’s not forget how many horrific things happen <i>every week</i> in high schools across America. It is a false promise to say that simply going to a public high school would fix all the problems found in homeschooling.<p>Finally, if a parent wants to outsource the teaching of their child to a person who is operating out of a house, we should let them. The parent is the person most able to accurately assess their child’s needs, and it has to be their responsibility to make good choices for their children.
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pk-protect-ai将近 2 年前
As a parent and former child, I truly appreciate the work the author has done. If only I had such a creative environment during my childhood...<p>Discussing bullying here is off-topic, in my opinion. Bullies are seldom part of such creative environments unless forced. They will not focus on these creative topics; instead, they will seek a victim to establish dominance, which does not necessitate participation in communal creative activities.
camgunz将近 2 年前
I think what a lot of people are missing about school alternatives is that, while public school has a <i>lot</i> of failings (I had a pretty miserable religious and public school experience myself), it&#x27;s pretty clear that none of the proposed alternatives work at scale. Charter schools aren&#x27;t equipped for 1&#x2F;4 of their kids to be totally impoverished. Micro schools aren&#x27;t equipped for kids with wheelchairs, or the 20% of kids who learn reading in a totally weird way, etc.<p>Selection benefits these organizations tremendously (i.e. you can say &quot;there&#x27;s no ramp into my house, I&#x27;m sorry your kid in a wheelchair can&#x27;t attend), but that clearly doesn&#x27;t scale and worse, it leaves out all kinds of kids. It also deprives the attending kids of diversity.<p>It probably also dooms kids whose parents think benefit from this system to a substandard education. There&#x27;s a quote in TFA from the proprietor of a micro school that&#x27;s something like &quot;[a child] wants to learn about the US and the constitution; who am I to tell her she has to learn about ancient Egypt?&quot; Well don&#x27;t ask me, ask Library for Kids [0] (TL;DR their phonetic alphabet prompted Greece to make their own, and the works written in Greek are the basis for western civilization).<p>The Netherlands established childrens&#x27; right to an education, which means that no matter what their parents think or believe, children will be educated in a way largely determined by professionals, but also subject to the democratic process. Why is this important? Because there are a lot of nuts parents out there who want their kids to learn pretty weird stuff, and in the aggregate that weirds society literally for generations, and at the individual can abuse kids in truly horrible ways (think about young girls born into cults).<p>I get that public school is lord of the flies and fails lots of kids, but this stuff isn&#x27;t the answer. Education is massive and hard. We&#x27;re not gonna fix it by subsidizing amateurs.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;libraryforkids.com&#x2F;why-do-we-care-about-ancient-egypt&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;libraryforkids.com&#x2F;why-do-we-care-about-ancient-egyp...</a>
CodeWriter23将近 2 年前
What did you all think was happening? Parents chose to hold their children back in subject areas they were weak in? Of course we delegate teaching certain topics to professionals.<p>The thing about those professionals, they know their continued employment is based on the merit of their work. You can fire your children&#x27;s teacher(s) and hire better ones.
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mensetmanusman将近 2 年前
During Covid we homeschooled and I learned a fourth grader can memorize all the elements of the periodic table, that was fun!
nitwit005将近 2 年前
Everyone shows up to be taught by a common teacher, with government and non profit funding? That&#x27;s just school.
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heisenbit将近 2 年前
There are nutty parents. There is a distinct risk they are able to „protect“ their children for longer from unwelcome but normal influences in a home and micro schools.
exabrial将近 2 年前
MicroSchooling I think is the best of all worlds. Kids get individual attention, teachers make a lot of money, parents get a great value on dollar spent on education.
m3talsmith将近 2 年前
I was homeschooled back in the 90’s and it was all on me to teach myself. Have things really changed?
6stringmerc将近 2 年前
Sonlight is a great example.<p>Home schooling has not always been about education…
bowsamic将近 2 年前
Home schooling should be either illegal or extremely tightly regulated. I don&#x27;t think that parents should have the right to avoid a state-authorised education
yosito将近 2 年前
I was home schooled back in 2001. My parents didn&#x27;t do the teaching, instead, we had a satellite dish that we installed to pick up some conservative right wing curriculum and recorded it on VHS tapes that I was supposed to watch.<p>I didn&#x27;t actually watch most of it, I&#x27;d usually fast forward through it and spend my time watching local news channels instead. My real education at the time was coming from the hands on experiences I had in real life, which was far more useful (and less propaganda-filled) than any curriculum could have been.
yrro将近 2 年前
It&#x27;s absolutely insane that home schooling is legal!
bigfryo将近 2 年前
Lol.. reading that article shows us how the establishment really wants to get rid of homeschooling and is afraid of it growing in one of the population.. they can hardly wait for some scandal in homeschooling so that they can exploit it as a crisis to shut down homeschooling
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mikhmha将近 2 年前
Why are people in the US so against public schools? I am someone who did not really enjoy “school” and found it anxiety inducing but I still see the benefits of it.<p>In public school you are forced to mingle with the people of your generation. The ones who will inevitably go on to run the country in whatever big or small way.<p>The objective of public school is to break down the regional identities of old and assimilate the youth into the “new” national identity. And what do we see in countries without functional public schools? Everything sucks. And there is no cohesion between peoples. I see it in the home country of my parents.
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pierat将近 2 年前
Synposis: Shitty Silly-Con valley company is selling &quot;teaching homeschoolers&quot; under the guise of &quot;microschooling&quot; and &quot;guides&quot; instead of proper teachers. Reading in any of these scam companies, and you&#x27;ll find quickly that they are not schools, and these are not accredited teachers. But again, deregulation and demolishment of public sector structures and laws to further private interests IS the point, as we&#x27;ll see.<p>And their payment model is bonkers.... <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.prenda.com&#x2F;empowering-learners">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.prenda.com&#x2F;empowering-learners</a><p><pre><code> The Prenda Fee - &quot;The Prenda fee for the 2023-2024 school year is $2,199.&quot; (As in, each student&#x27;s family pays this to Prenda) The Guide Fee - &quot;The guide fee is set by you as the guide and will vary from microschool to microschool.&quot; (AKA The Uber&#x2F;AirBNB model of education, where the intermediates have no knowledge and all the risk.) </code></pre> And some states allow redirecting funds from state education money to pay for this new scam. And this goes back to a previous post I commented on, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37179921">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37179921</a> . Now, we can add &quot;Expensive Imaginary Scam Education&quot;.<p>In reality, send your children to public school, and use the money you&#x27;d waste on this scam to visit museums, universities, libraries, historical sites, and the like. BE the enriching force in your child&#x27;s life.
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Justsignedup将近 2 年前
This is giving me the worst of vibes:<p>- options for people who don&#x27;t want to expose their children to out-of-family ideas, to perpetuate family biases<p>- a completely unregulated market for children to go to a &quot;school&quot; with a few other kids, giving them small classrooms, BUT, no teacher with specialization or educational background. Would be extremely hit or miss, with little resource if it isn&#x27;t working out.<p>- only for those who can afford it.<p>It just feels... it feels like people have completely given up on society and said fuck it, we&#x27;ll make our own.<p>This is sad. The real solution is not to homeschool. It is to force ALL kids, regardless of age, location, and income to be forced into the same school system. Want to improve things? gotta make it better for everyone.<p>Edit to those who say &quot;but mah freedum&quot; -- So far evidence shows that societies that force all people into the same system, regardless of income, end up having systemic positive changes because every member of the society is invested into it. Look at Finland, they only set one thing up: rules for how kids are allowed to be selected for schools. Everything else was because all the wealthy people wanted their kids to get benefits, so everyone benefited.<p>In the US school funding is dependent on local municipalities, so some places have excellent education, and everyone who can&#x27;t afford it is stuck with crap. This is why I dislike it. You either buy your way into a solid life, or you&#x27;re fucked. The audience here tends to be high earners, at least for middle-class. Most of America cannot afford 10k per year for schooling, much less the significantly higher cost required.
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satvikpendem将近 2 年前
I don&#x27;t really &quot;get&quot; homeschooling. How can parents be knowledgeable in all the subjects that school teachers teach? There are also cases of parents homeschooling for the purpose of religiously or otherwise ideologically indoctrinating their children, something that does not often happen in public schools, both due to the curricula as well as heterogeneity of thought via socializing and sharing information with many other students.<p>I suppose the pro is that you can teach exactly what you want, but that&#x27;s also a con, as above.
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