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Ask HN: Do we need to revisit Agile/Scrum?

10 点作者 paperplaneflyr超过 1 年前
Everybody is using Agile/Scrum in one way or other. But at times this in on paper in agreements. Do you think if a new process is need in this new age. Do we need to sketch out new framework.

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i_have_an_idea超过 1 年前
Agile&#x2F;Scrum is one of those things that are impossible to criticise. You can come up with a well-reasoned critique of a particular scrum deficiency and there&#x27;s always some Scrum Expert that pops up to tell you that you&#x27;re not doing &quot;real scrum&quot; and, therefore, your experience is invalid.<p>At the same time, I have now done software engineering for over a decade, in many roles and teams, and I have never seen Agile or Scrum to lead to the development of a good piece of software. I guess we were using it wrong.
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richliss超过 1 年前
Yes, but the problem is that the organisations will only listen to McKinsey and they have a motivation to not solve the problem but to merely adapt it and bill the client again.<p>Agile is one of the few significant shifts in business where the board members are unaware of the creators and don&#x27;t hire them in to consult authentically. I think only Kent Beck was hired by Facebook at a somewhat senior level, and Ken Schwaber spoke at Google a couple of times for mega money. It really should be a thing where every manifesto signatory is a consultant to big business at board level.
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SideburnsOfDoom超过 1 年前
My related comments recently: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37233790">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37233790</a><p>To your question:<p>- It depends on what you mean by &quot;Agile&quot;<p>- If you want to make sense of &quot;original Agile&quot;, read &quot;The Agile manifesto&quot; (2001), it&#x27;s 2 short pages, we can wait for you to get back.<p>- Criticisms of modern &quot;agile&quot; are actually the same as the problems that spawned that agile movement in the first place. It has become what it reacted against.<p>- There are practitioners of OG Agile still around and talking &#x2F; Writing. Dave Farley for one.<p>- The scientific method <i>does not need to be replaced</i>, hard no. An experimental, incremental, iterative, learning framework is the way forward. The specific rituals of Jira-based scrum, those could go and not much of value would be lost.<p>If you&#x27;re looking for a new framework, are you familiar with the <i>Accelerate</i> book? How about <i>Team Topologies</i> ? <i>The Goal</i> ?
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paperplaneflyr超过 1 年前
Looking at most comments, you have people on one side accepting the Agile&#x2F;Scrum to keep the project moving forward, not dwelling into to much details of the process while accepting delivery is most important.<p>On the other side, you have people calling the original Agile manifesto accurate theoretically.<p>My take on this right now is: yes, we have come long way with Agile&#x2F;Scrum&#x2F;(or any process), built incredible software, billed the customers and always accommodated customer changes. We have come from daily standups to online sitdowns(something I just coined or was it there already :) ). People are hearing more voices then seeing faces. Literally, everyone is screaming AI in every enterprise.<p>Given so much data that exists about Agile&#x2F;Scrum implementations and we have ways to measure it, I believe if someone comes up with a new idea which keeps the core idea of efficiently delivering new software to customers then I am ready to follow that. Just for a change.
flappyeagle超过 1 年前
The problem with real life implementations of scrum is: managers apply it in order to get poor performing teams to deliver.<p>This does not really work as it does not address the root cause of poor performance, which can vary greatly.<p>It’s never worked.
buzzlightyear超过 1 年前
Personal experience is that although agile and scrum are widely used, most organisations use these as frameworks to build a custom approach. Biggest problem I always find is lack of accounting and governance transformation to support agile, these two are always typically waterfall, so then you end up with agile technologists versus waterfall business = waterfall with sprints. For agile to really work, every part of a business needs to adopt it, from board down.
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pylua超过 1 年前
Yes. There is really no way to deliver fixed scope and fixed timeline&#x2F;cost efficiently which is really what companies are looking for.
SideburnsOfDoom超过 1 年前
Let me ask you: Do you think that Agile&#x2F;Scrum <i>is not</i> being re-evaluated &#x2F; revisited by anyone at present?
t312227超过 1 年前
hello,<p>in my experience, agile&#x2F;scrum is great - in theory.<p>in &quot;the wild&quot;&#x2F;in practices its mostly implemented in a way, which &quot;pleases lower &amp; upper mgmt&quot; but doesn&#x27;t take into account the features necessary for the team(s) to be able to work smoothly.<p>so: not agile&#x2F;scrum need to be revisited, but the implementation of agile processes &#x2F; scrum in companies&#x2F;projects etc...<p>cheers, t.<p>ps.: and lots of companies want to do &quot;scrum&quot; with far to few people &#x2F; small projects - mostly situations, where imho. kanban with a backlog would be sufficient and especially more effective.
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