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Lie still in bed

275 点作者 rognjen超过 1 年前

49 条评论

flurdy超过 1 年前
I wrote [1] about my tip for falling sleep: Daydream. I now coach my own kids to do the same and it works.<p>Essentially do not think about things that has happened; It just gets you annoyed with regrets that can not be changed. Do not think about the future; You will get excited, anxious, annoyed and too worked up to sleep. Also covers sports, politics, relationship, technology etc.<p>Think about things that do not affect you as a dream. A fantasy world etc. That has nothing to do with you personally so that it is just calming but distracts you enough until you are soon asleep.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.flurdy.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;02&#x2F;excellent-tip-on-how-to-go-to-sleep" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.flurdy.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;02&#x2F;excellent-tip-on-how-to-go-t...</a>
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Pooge超过 1 年前
I used to be really bad at falling asleep. I&#x27;m not talking 30 minutes or 45 minutes, but sometimes 3 whole hours without being able to get 1 second of sleep. I didn&#x27;t even touch my phone once while in bed.<p>I also had <i>a lot</i> of trouble finding the right position in which to sleep to feel comfortable (not even talking about finding the right mattress&#x2F;pillow combination).<p>Somehow, I trained myself at sleeping on my back (I was a big stomach sleeper). It&#x27;s actually easier than you think. Couple that with counting backwards from 200 to 0 - and starting over whenever I reach 0 or forget where I was because my mind wandered - and I now fall asleep well within 1h on average.<p>Now I don&#x27;t have any pain at all when I wake up, I don&#x27;t need to spend hundreds on finding the right pillow&#x2F;mattress combination and I have less trouble falling asleep. I don&#x27;t actually think about it a lot, but I&#x27;m only in my 20s and I can&#x27;t fathom the life problems I avoided solving this one early on. I&#x27;m really happy.
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Androider超过 1 年前
The most negative influence on my sleep by far is from using my phone in bed, as I suspect it is for many others. Not only when falling asleep, but also when waking up reaching for the phone is too easy and robs me of any chance of falling asleep again.<p>The only trick I&#x27;ve found that works quite consistently for me, is removing the phone from the room entirely. This makes my laziness work for me for once, as getting the phone from another room altogether is too much of a hassle.<p>Similarly, if you want to stop eating after a certain hour, 9pm in my case, brush your teeth at that exact time. After that I can&#x27;t be bothered to eat since brushing my teeth again would be a hassle.
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nerdchum超过 1 年前
This may work for non-neurotic people but laying still in bed is when the demons in my mind come out to play and remind me of all of my problems.
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Labo333超过 1 年前
There is an amazing trick that I now use almost every time I want to sleep: the 4-7-8 breathing method. I don&#x27;t remember using it and not falling asleep in less than 5 minutes, whatever the stress I was in.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.cnn.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;health&#x2F;4-7-8-breathing-technique-relaxing-wellness&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.cnn.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;health&#x2F;4-7-8-breathing-te...</a>
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vinaypai超过 1 年前
I went through a period where I&#x27;d wake up aboud 2-3 hours after going to bed and couldn&#x27;t get back to sleep for most of the night.<p>I used a related technique to help. I count backwards from 1000, and force myself to keep my eyes closed. It&#x27;s a task that takes just enough brainpower that it&#x27;s hard to do on autopilot while my mind drifts to something else. If I do wander off I just go back to counting whatever number I remember.<p>It&#x27;s been almost totally successful in the 2 months I&#x27;ve been doing it.
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hoherd超过 1 年前
The &quot;buy a blank PDF&quot; part of that site made me chuckle. I wonder what accounting reasons there would be to do that rather than just ask for a tip, or if he did it simply for the humor.
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smeej超过 1 年前
Most of these comments are about sleep, but the article really isn&#x27;t. It&#x27;s about where to apply willpower to change a habit, slowly but surely.<p>I found the part about recognizing small changes rather than fixating on the end goal especially helpful. You don&#x27;t need to go to sleep an hour earlier to be building a habit. Two minutes more effort counts.
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AndrewKemendo超过 1 年前
Very similar to “chop wood, carry water”<p>Seems like I’m seeing a cultural shift happening in the last few months to people re&#x2F;discovering zen-stoicism-minimalism<p>Probably the cyclical nature of trends
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AltruisticGapHN超过 1 年前
Makes sense. Read the basics about the Autonomic Nervous System, the sympathetic and para-sympathetic branches.<p>You don&#x27;t want to stay in sympathetic activation. Browsing on a phone may seem relaxing, but it keeps your sympathetic nervous system engaged. Think of it as &quot;goal oriented activity&quot;.<p>I&#x27;ve got into a habit of laying on my back for like 10-20 mins before I turn to the side. It really does help calm me down a bit. I don&#x27;t try to &quot;stop thinking&quot; or count or anything like that, just laying on my back and feeling the sensation.<p>Some arguments in favor:<p>- if you work in IT likely you&#x27;re sitting a lot, and your psoas shorten. When you lie on your back it opens the psoas a little bit, so you feel that very gentle stretch in the tummy area<p>- for anxious people, we are designed by nature with eyes that can scan in front of us, but our back is less secure. I think lying on your back for a little while, lets you &quot;secure&quot; this area, as well as release the neck and back muscles a little more<p><pre><code> Following this intuition, in the summer when it&#x27;s too hot to have a blanket, I found a trick where I would roll my duvet in like a long tube, then when I lay on my side, I would pull the &quot;tube&quot; with one arm, and press it against my back. This way I would not be covered on top, but have a more secure feeling in the back and I think it also helped me fall asleep. </code></pre> Think of lying on your back as <i>rest</i>. It&#x27;s not about willpower so much, but engaging the para-sympathetic part of the nervous system, which is typically about release&#x2F;relaxed curiosity (ie. feeling the body a little bit) rather than being engaged and pursuing what nowadays is typically an endles stream of content.
l72超过 1 年前
I also struggle to sleep due to anxiety about what I could or should be doing. I started using a visualization meditation technique.<p>I don’t watch a wide variety of tv, instead I tend to watch my favorites over and over again so I have a pretty good visual in my head.<p>I have ripped the audio from my favorite shows and put them on random with a 30 minute sleep timer. I focus on visualizing the episode as I’m listening to it as that keeps my mind from wandering, but since I know the episodes so well it also isn’t a struggle.<p>I’m rarely still awake by the time it stops playing after 30 minutes. And if I am or I wake up in the middle of the night, I can just tap the button on my nightstand and it continues playing for another 30 minutes. No need to open my eyes or take off my sleep mask.<p>For reference my primary shows are futurama (original seasons), psych, and next generation.
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JohnBooty超过 1 年前
<p><pre><code> Just like you can practice going to sleep at a reasonable hour, so can you practice keeping your bed made, liking a particular food, or doing collage. </code></pre> This is so true and so powerful. People in general really underestimate how &quot;hackable&quot; their brains and habits are.<p>It&#x27;s probably the single biggest fixable difference I see between people who are successful and happy and those who aren&#x27;t.<p>I think the general HN demographic is perhaps more inclined to recognize this than the general population. Not that the hacker community has a monopoly on it by any means. Athletes, successful executives, etc. They know it too.<p>Edit: I want to be extremely clear. I am talking about a mindset of self-improvement. It is not a magic cure for anything. I am not telling you that you can just magically &quot;mind hack&quot; problems away.<p>I recognize that there is a fine line to walk here. There are a lot of people who think that your depression or your ADHD or your <i>whatever</i> is a result of you simply not trying hard enough or not finding the right &quot;hack.&quot; Those people are wrong, and that attitude is misguided and hurtful.<p>In my experience happiness and success is the result of finding a happy middle ground between (a) learned helplessness (b) a toxic and delusional belief in magical positive thinking. You should believe that you can continually hone your skills and habits. You should not take that sort of attitude to a toxic extreme, and you certainly should not use it as a tool to hurt and judge others.
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srge超过 1 年前
I’ve been meditating every day for 3 years. I now meditate more than 1 hours every day.<p>How did I do it? My only goal was to do at least 1 min of meditation a day but every day. No excuse.<p>It’s my opinion that this is the best and easiest method to build a meditation practice.
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Swordfish12345超过 1 年前
The biggest problem of our modern age is the removal of agency.<p>We are being pathologized by pseudo-science all around us.<p>When people mention &quot;willpower&quot;, everyone today is looking for a diagnosis as an excuse instead.<p>Some things really are as simple as articles like this.<p>The failing is education. People don&#x27;t understand the way they have re-shaped their brains from pretty much everything spawning from the internet and tv.
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pictur超过 1 年前
Most sleep problems cannot be solved by sitting still. You should go to the doctor, get a sleep test and look for more serious treatment methods. I wouldn&#x27;t recommend wasting your time with such suggestions.
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Waterluvian超过 1 年前
The best kind of parody: the one you almost can’t tell is parody.<p>My sense is that the core issue with people who actually think this way is that they lack empathy. They assume that their context is shared by everyone. So if one simple trick worked for them, it surely must work for everyone else.
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Nezghul超过 1 年前
What if I am capable of thinking with closed eyes?
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bhouston超过 1 年前
I find any advice with regards to falling asleep to be very dependent upon the person. Everyone is my family seems to have different sleep styles and it isn&#x27;t because of people using phones in bed.<p>So try a lot of different things and do what works.
tschumacher超过 1 年前
I disagree with the point about exercising. Some days I look forward to running because I remember the great runs where I felt energetic. But once I&#x27;m out running I realize it&#x27;s a bad day and it takes willpower to keep going.
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kumarvvr超过 1 年前
I discovered profoundly relaxing and deep sleep by doing this routine.<p>1. Lie on my back on the bed. Place my hands beside my torso, palms facing down. Keep my legs straight, but free and relaxed.<p>2. Close my eyes and focus my attention on the region between my eyebrows.<p>3. Relax my breathing and make it regular and slow.<p>4. Actively imagine my stress and anxiety to be a form of fluid, filled in my body and then imagine it evaporating from my finger tips.<p>I do this for about 30 minutes everyday, and the days I do it, I have no recollection of my sleep. I mean, no dreams, no moving about, nothing.<p>I also found that this form of sleep, makes me absolutely refreshed even if I sleep for only 5 to 6 hours.
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lost_tourist超过 1 年前
I find that my diet affects my sleep as much as anything. I eat lower carb (one carby meal a day allowed, others are &quot;keto&quot; style, I just never could give up carbs completely, I always ended up backsliding) and having a regular sleep schedule, 6-7 hours a night is fine. If I&#x27;m just &quot;eating whatever&quot; (and I love carbs and junk food) I&#x27;d have to sleep 9-10 hours or I would be a wreck the next day. One thing I have always been blessed with was being able to go to sleep though, only the most stressful times in my life have I ever had insomnia.
tekkk超过 1 年前
Im not a bad sleeper but it drove me insane when i wasnt able to sleep anymore about month ago. I was doing like the article suggested, lying in bed, but when it was 3-4 AM i kinda gave up and started just doing stuff. Then i either held off for next evening or slept in the day.<p>What changed it for me was turning my massive portable AC on and let it hum through the night. I think my body just dont sleep that well when its hot&#x2F;warmish.<p>So there can be multiple factors in play. I agree though being really pedant about sleep rhytme helps, especially waking yourself up in the same time.
amelius超过 1 年前
But what if you have restless leg syndrome?
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Nevermark超过 1 年前
It is 4am and here I am after waking up and having trouble sleeping.<p>Serendipity, since I am reading this article now?<p>I am going to give this a try - the narrowing down of any challenge to its prime implicant makes a great deal of sense.
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m3kw9超过 1 年前
A rule I set is that I don’t ever lie down on my bed unless I’m sleeping which means you don’t relax and use phone. Better if you don’t use your bed ever for any other activity than sleep and f’ing
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rustybolt超过 1 年前
Getting really tired of these posts telling me how to sleep.<p>I tried going to bed earlier. Getting enough exercise, but not too late. No coffee after lunch. No eating after 20:00. I would have 8 hours of sleep or slightly longer and feel exhausted every day.<p>Turns out if I go to bed later and sleep 6-7 hours, I feel much better, even if my &quot;sleep scores&quot; are much worse.<p>If I&#x27;m not tired, I can lie with my eyes closed for hours. It&#x27;s better to get out and do something else for an hour, then try again. For me, at least.
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rungood超过 1 年前
This makes a lot of sense. For those who are struggling with sleep, I&#x27;d wholeheartedly recommend adding this to a CBT program for insomnia, which was immediately effective for me. Here&#x27;s a book that outlines the steps: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.ca&#x2F;Sink-Into-Sleep-Step-Step&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0826148158&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.ca&#x2F;Sink-Into-Sleep-Step-Step&#x2F;dp&#x2F;082614815...</a><p>It&#x27;s surprisingly simple and works.
ironborn123超过 1 年前
While willpower may work for some people, what actually works for me (and i believe the majority of people) is self-deception or distraction.<p>To sleep, use white noise&#x2F;rhythmic music&#x2F;soothing voice<p>To climb a mountain, tell yourself that my next goal is to just reach that particular rock about 100 metres higher<p>In the gym, make a friend and chat and joke with them while doing your exercises<p>While sprinting, divide 32 by 13 to many decimal places, as Joey from Friends once suggested.
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xwdv超过 1 年前
I’ve never actually slept. I lay still in bed, until I find myself waking up. Time has passed, but I have no idea what happened during the time in between laying down and waking up. I only feel the effects of having slept. Similarly there is a version of me that has only ever slept, and knows nothing of the awakened life. Yet still I wonder, if there is even a third version unknown to both of us?
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beaugunderson超过 1 年前
My most powerful &quot;getting to sleep hack&quot; involves paradoxical intention... if I&#x27;m ever unable to fall asleep I think to myself &quot;I wish I could stay awake but I&#x27;m just so tired&quot; and I&#x27;m out within a few minutes.
ramoz超过 1 年前
- cut back caffeine significantly<p>- work out daily (lift and&#x2F;or cardio)<p>- move phone away from reach<p>My key ingredients to sleeping like a baby, deep dreaming almost nightly. 31yo ymmv
progbits超过 1 年前
I&#x27;ve been trying this over the years but unless I&#x27;m completely comfortable I&#x27;m unable to fall asleep. This means perfect position (tossing over for hour or more in new unfamiliar bed), perfect hydration (no need to drink or pee) and perfect sound (rain is ok, for ticking clock in another room I eventually give up and go take out the batteries).
ravishi超过 1 年前
My mom worked night shifts as a nurse most of her life. It gave her the opportunity to be with us during the day but also took a toll on her sleep habits and health. She had a lot of trouble sleeping so she said she would just lie still in bed and that would get her _some_ rest. At least most rest than she would get by actively trying to sleep.
kbutler超过 1 年前
The biggest effects helping me fall asleep are:<p>- get some exercise during the day. 30 minutes of exercise is basically free from a time perspective, because of improved sleep<p>- if I need to fall asleep earlier, get up earlier<p>Sometimes my brain is too busy, and an audiobook with a just-interesting-enough-to-listen-to-but-not-care-about can help disengage from the thoughts of the day.
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maerF0x0超过 1 年前
On the topic of sleep deprivation, also consider all the gradient of rest + recovery that you can do to support your body even if it&#x27;s not getting the best sleep.<p>Mindfulness Meditation, NSDR[1], Box Breathing[2], Saunas &#x2F; Cold showers, adequate protein intake, basic movement like walking for bloodflow&#x2F;lymphatic drainage etc.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=AKGrmY8OSHM">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=AKGrmY8OSHM</a> [2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.webmd.com&#x2F;balance&#x2F;what-is-box-breathing#1-3" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.webmd.com&#x2F;balance&#x2F;what-is-box-breathing#1-3</a>
forinti超过 1 年前
The best method I found was listening to youtube videos about philosophy, especially Kant.<p>And rain videos also work.
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intrasight超过 1 年前
I&#x27;ve suffered insomnia most of my adult life. Took Trazodone for years and decided to eliminate that dependency.<p>My technique - YMMV<p>Lie still on my back. Play a boring (at night anyway) history podcast. Mentally focus on my breath. Might even count them. I rarely get beyond 30.
2OEH8eoCRo0超过 1 年前
&gt; it didn’t work the first night. But it did in a couple of weeks.<p>&gt; Eventually, I was able to take that to an extreme and became a morning person.<p>Worked for me as well. I believe that humans can adapt to any routine. I was not a morning person and now I am.
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dorkwood超过 1 年前
I used this same technique to induce lucid dreams when I was younger. My theory for why it worked was that one part of the brain was sending a &#x27;roll over&#x27; signal to another part of the brain in order to check if it was ready to enter the next stage of sleep. By purposely ignoring that signal and remaining still, I was able to fall directly into a dream while still conscious.<p>I&#x27;m sure there was a bit more to it than that. I also kept a rigorous dream journal, and had several other rituals and practices that I&#x27;ve since forgotten. But lying still was definitely a big part of it.
dan_mctree超过 1 年前
Cooling my forehead by applying water has helped me fall asleep, especially on warm days. I suspect an inability to fall asleep plus chaotic mind wandering is often related to an overheated brain and that this is a good artificial way to help the body cool your head. Brain cooling is supposedly one of the purposes behind yawning, but at least for me, yawning can&#x27;t seem to keep up<p>Note: if you try this, don&#x27;t dry the forehead after applying water. The main longterm cooling mechanism is through slow evaporation just like with sweat
teekert超过 1 年前
I have never had any sleep issues and people are always surprised to hear my tactic: I just really enjoy the bed. It’s clean, it’s soft, I’m tired. I enjoy lying in bed. Sometimes I just don’t want to fall asleep because it feels so nice. I always fall asleep very fast.<p>Useless information probably, but who knows. Also, it’s not really a tactic. But perhaps you can try it, look forward to lying in bed. Enjoy it, it’s me time, I can think about whatever I want, I have all the time in the world. So nice. I’m gonna go right now.
err4nt超过 1 年前
This strikes a chord - though I have no issue falling asleep, I totally agree with this method for moving closer toward a desired outcome.<p>If someday I want to play the piano effortlessly and beautifully, I should start by spending time with my fingers touching the keys. Habits can be formed slowly and as an accumulation of many positive steps in the direction toward a goal.
tasuki超过 1 年前
The important thing is to wake at a regular time and to go to sleep when you&#x27;re tired. It&#x27;s not necessary to go to sleep at a regular time.<p>This no-bullshit page has some more detailed info with references: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;insomniasos.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;insomniasos.net&#x2F;</a>
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senectus1超过 1 年前
I&#x27;ve never understood why people have issues falling asleep. I just shut my eyes and tell myself its times to sleep... off i go.<p>My issue is that I never <i>want</i> to fall asleep... getting myself to actually do it rather than do something more interesting is a battle of will power.
kevin_thibedeau超过 1 年前
I recently broke a shoulder blade and was forced to sleep on my back without shifting for a few months. It became somewhat tolerable but my heels would go numb from the lack of any movement. I&#x27;m enjoying the ability to spend more time on my side and change positions now.
m3kw9超过 1 年前
No coffee after 1pm does some Magic. There are many other difficult variables too but this one is easy
estebarb超过 1 年前
I think I&#x27;ll pass. When I lie still in bed with eyes closed I end up with sleep paralysis.
larodi超过 1 年前
Such articles are… really laughable, as people differ in their physiology and circadian rhythms and it is NOT generally advisable to blindly follow someone else’s experiences with sleep.<p>There are books like ‘While we sleep’ which can give you some insight into the complexity of causes and effects and even this book was heavily criticised although the author did some actual research with cited sources etc.<p>And I’m saying this as someone who had major problems with sleep for more than year, but now sleeps daily an average of 7-8hours.<p>The only thing actually recommendable (IMHO of course) is to not force yourself into sleep, as this may very well backfire. Laying still and stuff like that is a rather forceful technique. For hyperactive and hollering people (with ADHD and alike) it may even amount to torture.<p>All the CBT that you can apply is NOT universal. Techniques such as not eating too much, not drinking alcohol at night, cooling the room, counting eyes closed, doing exercise, having blinders, doing meditation if you want… are absolutely NOT universal and what works for someone may actually be bad for you and me.<p>In reality the most common advice - to meditate before sleep - may result in contrary results. Courber intuitively there is evidence that sleep deprivation may actually help depression, rather than forcing sleep patterns.<p>Please consult sleep experts, rather than consulting random articles although they may seem plausible.
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datavirtue超过 1 年前
Yeah yeah yeah...just give me the pill.