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Sag-AFTRA votes unanimously to expand its strike to include the games industry

250 点作者 czottmann超过 1 年前

22 条评论

btown超过 1 年前
This is an incredibly editorialized headline that blurs the distinction between SAG-AFTRA leadership and membership, and the article itself contradicts the title in the very first paragraph:<p>&gt; In a statement posted to its official website, the union confirmed its board had &quot;voted unanimously&quot; to &quot;send a strike authorisation vote to SAG-AFTRA members&quot; in interactive media ahead of its &quot;forthcoming bargaining dates with video game companies&quot;.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnn.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;09&#x2F;02&#x2F;business&#x2F;sag-aftra-strike-strike-video-games&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnn.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;09&#x2F;02&#x2F;business&#x2F;sag-aftra-strike-str...</a> has more details that this is just one of multiple steps:<p>&gt; While a strike authorization does not launch a strike, it can be a useful tool at the bargaining table because it gives the union the ability to declare a strike if negotiations break down. Eligible SAG-AFTRA members will be able to vote on authorizing a strike until September 25 at 5 p.m. PT, the evening before discussions resume.<p>If and when membership does authorize a strike, we would see language akin to this announcement: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sagaftra.org&#x2F;sag-aftra-members-approve-strike-authorization-9791-yes-vote" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sagaftra.org&#x2F;sag-aftra-members-approve-strike-au...</a>
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CM30超过 1 年前
Not sure how well this will work compared to their strike against Hollywood and the film industry. Many video game developers don&#x27;t work with union actors at all, with plenty of games either not having voice acting period or hiring whatever random staff they have around to fill those roles.<p>For instance, many of Nintendo&#x27;s games have very little voice acting, or have it done by random internal staff rather than professional actors. So most of the Mario, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Metroid, Animal Crossing, etc series could probably keep on going without any issues. And those franchises that did use voice acting recently (mostly Zelda) could probably just go release a few games in the old style where voices were limited to the odd grunt or yell and it wouldn&#x27;t make much of a difference. Heck, Pokemon doesn&#x27;t really have voice acting in its games even now, and that&#x27;s the biggest media franchise in the world.<p>Add that to how the industry worked fine up til about the N64&#x2F;PlayStation era without any voice acting (or at best, very limited acting) and how a large percentage of lower budget and indie games don&#x27;t have it at all, and it&#x27;s a lot less important than acting is in the film or television industry. Hollywood actors go on strike and don&#x27;t appear in films or TV shows? Those industry comes to a screeching halt, since the cast is an essential part of the medium. Actors don&#x27;t appear in video games? Well, guess the number of silent protagonists goes up significantly this year.<p>I do wish them the best of luck here and I do understand their concerns, it&#x27;s just that games need actors a lot less than films do, and that gives them far less leverage as a result.
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jncfhnb超过 1 年前
The AI debate is pretty dumb imo. It’s not a winnable fight. Background actors and stunt people and minor voice actors are ultimately fungible. The tech will soon arrive that such things are easily generated at an extent and quality that it’s cheaper to do it with an all digital pipeline without models that are trained on these people or are perhaps trained on them in countries where any hard won battles here are ignored. You won’t have 30 background actors. You’ll have one digital artist with tools. You might have 30x as many movies if you’re lucky.
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galleywest200超过 1 年前
I fully support people getting paid for their work, and these actors deserve it. However -- when it comes to video games I personally do not mind if there is no voice acting, and I often will play the game on silent with some other source of audio playing alongside. Unsure of the impact of this one.
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bluescrn超过 1 年前
As somebody who&#x27;s worked in games as a programmer, it&#x27;s hard to have too much sympathy for voice actors, when all the (almost entirely non-unionised) artists, animators, programmers, QA, and more have put up with so much overwork (&#x27;crunch periods&#x27;) and undercompensation, along with constant threat of sudden lay-offs (usually studio closures) since, well, before games had voice acting. A strike could be an additional threat to the projects and therefore jobs of those non-unionised workers.<p>(Yes, maybe the rest of the industry should have unionised a long time ago, but it hasn&#x27;t happened)<p>Voice actors are important these days, but they aren&#x27;t the &#x27;movie stars&#x27; of gaming. The real stars of game development are usually unknown individuals developing internal tools and asset workflows, endlessly tweaking numbers to try and make a game &#x27;feel&#x27; just right, doing CPU&#x2F;GPU profiling and optimization, or doing tedious-but-essential QA work, tracking down those hard-to-replicate bugs.<p>And not everyone is in agreement on the whole AI issue. The hype&#x2F;fear bubble is likely to deflate, and IMHO, AI-based tools are more likely to empower creators than replace them.
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gremlinsinc超过 1 年前
I wonder if this might backfire. In the age of ai when animated characters can be almost created wholly by ai, actors can be replaced by AI, the age of the movie star might be over. I think in the future live performances will be more sought after just to know you&#x27;re actually watching a real person, at least until life like ai androids are indistinguishable from real humans.<p>I&#x27;m saying this as someone in support of unions in general, but also in support of our ai future, if a little fearful of the Terminator scenario playing out.<p>I don&#x27;t think unions can stop ai from taking jobs, I think maybe all unions should ban together for a general strike to force a ubi vote, so that when ai does take jobs people can still eat and pay rent.
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pyrophane超过 1 年前
Like commercials, a lot of VA work is non-union, so the impact of this would most likely be felt by the absence of &quot;stars&quot; from the big AAA titles.
JCharante超过 1 年前
It’s a free country, but I don’t think most people care about voice actors. Lots of people skip cutscenes and turn down the dialogue volume.
extraduder_ire超过 1 年前
If this does happen, I&#x27;m assuming Kojima Productions will attempt to get an exemption to work under the demanded terms, like a few A24 movies have in the film strike. (if that&#x27;s even possible with how they do texture scanning&#x2F;motion capture of so many people)<p>I don&#x27;t know of any other studios who include so many &quot;big name&quot; actors.
kepler1超过 1 年前
Last I heard, Hollywood actors and writers weren&#x27;t being abused, deceived, or coerced into working in this industry. They&#x27;re not working under hazardous conditions or agreeing to false terms of work. It seems that there are people who want to work for the wages that are offered, the group just isn&#x27;t happy with what they&#x27;re being paid.<p>Aside from the consequences of their collective ability to withhold labor and ability to penalize those who don&#x27;t join their union, can anyone explain why we should support them?<p>Why should I be glad to see actors strike for more $, any more than I would be happy to see plumbers strike so that they can charge me even more for work?
ugh123超过 1 年前
SAG leadership also wants to start including YouTube and other online creators in union membership.<p>Is this really what we want? Maybe it&#x27;s time for Hollywood to change and grow away from unions and not proliferate into other areas of creative production.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deadline.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;07&#x2F;sag-aftra-making-moves-to-enlist-more-online-content-creators-wapo-report-1235445921&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deadline.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;07&#x2F;sag-aftra-making-moves-to-enlis...</a>
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giantg2超过 1 年前
I wonder if a lot of the money issues could be fixed by the union implementing a better distribution of income. Seems like inequality in Hollywood is even worse than other industries.
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_V_超过 1 年前
Honestly I believe that Hollywood and film industry needs to change. The sooner the better.<p>And I also don&#x27;t really care about those people - most of them seem to lost any connection with outside world and passion for the craft. The only motivation for most of them is feeding their overgrown egos.
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sammyteee超过 1 年前
Isn&#x27;t this similar to worries about machines taking over human jobs in other areas? Just like machines changed many industries and made people question the need for humans, why should acting be any different?
davidg109超过 1 年前
Sounds desperate on behalf of SAG-AFTRA. I call bullshit.
yieldcrv超过 1 年前
Despite this being clickbait, its a nice space to have this discussion<p>I also find this to be a losing battle, and its kind of rich too, since Hollywood only grew by disregarding all the entrenched interested in NYC. To think the same won&#x27;t happen to Hollywood or this current incarnation requires being stuck in every stage of grief, specifically bargaining and denial.<p>Its not apathy if some of us can skip straight to acceptance of the terminal illness of being superceded.
Am4TIfIsER0ppos超过 1 年前
Do it! Strike! Remove the worst 3 features of modern games: hollywood celebrities, motion capture, voice acting.
samstave超过 1 年前
I may be in a minority, but could not care less of the strife of the Hollywood writers, but that&#x27;s hypocritical of me because saying that all their current crops of movies are microplastics garbage, while also not caring about their strikes, detracts from the core of the problem, which is the metastasized cancer of American DNA ; greed.<p>Keep Hollywood writers away from games.<p>I have not been negatively impacted by this strike in any meaningful sense.<p>But it is striking to see just how puppet-like every talking head on TV is, to the point they have nothing themselves to say unless they have a gaggle of writers pumping all the lines you hear.<p>For a really good insight on just who becomes these writers, the documentary about the creation of national lampoon out of Harvard shows you all the smart nerds that truly write your content
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aurizon超过 1 年前
A bridge too far for the catherds...
polski-g超过 1 年前
I thought writers were using video game jobs as an income source during the movie strike. So how are they going to pay their rents with zero income, now?
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mcpackieh超过 1 年前
RPGs are ruined by traditional voice acting but naive consumers demand it anyway. The problem is that voice acting places practical constraints on the scope of dialogue in RPGs, rendering the RPGs shallow by necessity.<p>I see three possible ways forward:<p>1) Generative AIs are used on the fly by games to create NPCs the player can truly roleplay with<p>2) VA strike re-calibrates consumer expectations so we can go back to RPGs with text dialogue only, possibly with LLMs instead of scripted conversations. Either way, an improvement over:<p>3) Continue with the status quo.<p>Listed in order of preference. From an RPG gamer perspective, the worst outcome is that both human writers and human VAs keep their jobs.
donatj超过 1 年前
Being a quite literal Luddite is never in your self interest long term. History has taught us that technology will and should replace jobs, and we are better for it. We should roll with it gracefully rather than trying to dig our heels in fighting the inevitable.<p>Asking technology companies to not use AI in building their games is simply absurd.<p>It’s hilarious to me that people on HN whose literal job is to build things that replace menial jobs can’t see this. How many of you are working on a SaaS that replaces hundreds of paper pushers?
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