Latch Bio: “We work six days a week”

I might be spoiling my hand but I get concerned whenever I see any startup saying they are looking for employees to act like owners &#x2F; put in a lot effort &#x2F; &quot;we aren&#x27;t your average place!&quot;<p>It just seems like it will be amateur hour: immature founders who are in love with startup culture combined with junior and&#x2F;or desperate employees who don&#x27;t know better.<p>I don&#x27;t mind working hard, crunch, or even acting like an owner but when the these listings also have average salary ($135k - $190k [0]) with no mention of equity (meaning it&#x27;s either 0.00% or not substantial), that&#x27;s not ownership; that&#x27;s a bad deal. If you want me to act like an owner, I expect to be treated and compensated like an owner or at least more than a &quot;cog role&quot; at another startup would be.<p>Any founder who does the math on what it would take to hire a senior+ employee to behave like an owner (a very large chunk of your employee pool) will realize it&#x27;s not feasible to hire like that.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wellfound.com&#x2F;jobs&#x2F;2524214-systems-software-engineer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wellfound.com&#x2F;jobs&#x2F;2524214-systems-software-engineer</a>

What&#x27;s the legality of this? In many jurisdictions, at least my former one, you can&#x27;t be made to work overtime I believe. I had a job where I had to sign something that said I agreed to work overtime (unpaid as a salaried employee) but understood I could refuse and be accommodated.<p>I know it&#x27;s a startup so if that&#x27;s what they want to do, cool (even if I think it&#x27;s misguided) but I&#x27;d expect everyone would have to have some vested equity ie be an owner and not being forced to grind as an employee.

&quot;- We implement a loose SCRUM methodology with a 15-minute standup every day - Our product&#x2F;engineering cycle is two weeks and culminates in a demo&#x2F;product planning day&quot;<p>Imagine working Saturdays so you have time for a all day Scrum ...

Their two Glassdoor reviews are a fun juxtaposition...<p>From &quot;CEO-Founder&quot;: &quot;First team in biotech software that actually knows what they are doing when it comes to biotech software&quot;, &quot;Advice to Management: Keep doing what you are doing.&quot;<p>From &quot;Contractor&quot;: &quot;Rude and overconfident management who make it really undesirable to work there. If they are not successful it will mainly be because Alfredo and Aidan are mean people with a big ego who drive away good people from considering joining the company.&quot;

&quot;You will be working on difficult problems in software, including but not limited to web development, systems programming, database administration, algorithmic programming, and cloud infrastructure.&quot;<p>Hm, almost nothing there sounds like &quot;difficult problems in software&quot; it sounds like very routine IT stuff. Of course a lot depends on scale, but even scale is pretty well commoditized these days except for the few companies that are on the leading edge of providing it.

It is a 5 person engineering team, so I’d give them the benefit of the doubt. But more importantly, where are the salary ranges? You are required by law in California to post salary ranges.

To agree to these exceptional terms I would have to be offered something exceptional. A very large equity stake, or a very (personally) meaningful job. Something tells me that this company offers neither. No salary range mentioned in the posting and a vague description &quot;ubiquitous cloud platform to store, visualize, and analyze data from biological experiments&quot;.<p>How many people wake up on a Saturday morning full of excitement to go to the office in Mission Bay to build some web visualization dashboards for B2B? Hmm...

At least they’re honest?<p>I see this as a good thing to disclose, rather than finding out that overtime is expected <i>after</i> you start the job.

Most jobs in the bay area are 6-7 day a week jobs. You may not be logged in to Slack on Saturday and Sunday but you&#x27;re monitoring email or on the look out for PagerDuty.

Yeah, good luck with that losers :)

Damn, I get to do &quot;algorithmic programming&quot; and have a standup on 86% of my days?

Maybe they work shorter days?<p>Or maybe someone thinks it&#x27;s better to be explicit about how they work like crazy. Or they want to be &quot;generous&quot; by giving you Saturdays off once in a while.

what if the push to work 4 days instead of 5, and less hours in a day, and the wedge being driven between the founders and the proletariat is the result of a psi-ops from Russia and China to hobble the US from the inside. Convince the current generation that working hard and pursuing your craft is inherently a bad thing. I feel like this would work.

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Wow, their staff need to unionise right away.

Sigh. I cannot believe people write such shit job postings with a straight face!

In this thread: a ton of people with european work standards

Made it to the front page at least, you did.

Um, no thanks.

&gt; Our product&#x2F;engineering cycle is two weeks and culminates in a demo&#x2F;product planning day<p>This is great, honestly. It&#x27;s a self-sustaining way of enforcing accountability.<p>If you have nothing to show or demo after a 2 week sprint, during which you were surely assigned tasks to do, it&#x27;s clear you haven&#x27;t actually done anything.