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Crowdfunding a defense for scientific research

79 点作者 sherilm超过 1 年前

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karaterobot超过 1 年前
Things I would have liked this article to include:<p>* A link to the actual suit<p>* Some of the specific claims made in the suit: is Gino alleging inaccuracies, or something else?<p>* An explanation of what &quot;Data Colada&quot; is, and who is funding it. Relevant because their employer would often fund the defense if it comes from research they paid for, and in this case all I&#x27;ve seen is that they are funding &quot;some&quot; of it, with an indefinite amount of the (expected) remainder being requested via GoFundMe. If they&#x27;re a small, poorly-funded project, that would explain it, but I do want the article to give me this kind of context.<p>* I guess just in general I would have liked to see a more neutral tone, and for the writer to have some sort of legal background. Enough to provide the readers some sort of context for what is happening, rather than just how they should feel about it, which is what it seems to be doing.<p>It&#x27;s a bad sign that I don&#x27;t see much in this article that couldn&#x27;t have been taken from the GoFundMe project page text.
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ilamont超过 1 年前
<i>Strengthening Massachusetts’s laws, or passing a federal anti-SLAPP law (Gino is suing in a federal district court, because there’s also a Title IX element to her complaint) could make it easier for defendants in the future to recover legal fees when they’re the target of a lawsuit that attacks their protected speech.</i><p>Schools like Harvard should also build in protections for whistleblowers, even those with no affiliation, in such cases where the university&#x27;s own investigation confirms academic misconduct or fraud.
tristor超过 1 年前
What&#x27;s interesting is that her suit doesn&#x27;t seem to counter the accusation of fraudulent data in her research, but rather that they can&#x27;t prove it was her that actually did it. She seems to be expecting a former lab manager that worked for her to take the fall, even though she was the lead named author of the research.
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isntbilly超过 1 年前
This academic is accused of data falsification and their most book is titled &quot;Rebel talent : Why it pays to break the rules at work and in life&quot;
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morisy超过 1 年前
If you&#x27;re a publisher, just the insurance for lawsuits like this can cost $10,000 to $20,000 at the low end, and even if there&#x27;s little merit to the case the litigation costs can easily go into the hundreds of thousands of dollars if a few things don&#x27;t break your way.<p>If your case gets the right publicity at the right time, there&#x27;s a number of groups that might be a fit for pro bono assistance (I&#x27;ve personally benefitted from just that in at least three cases), but counting on that is a huge gamble and, even if the case is thrown out, then spikes your insurance costs down the road.<p>There are non-profits and foundations that help with supporting folks, but they have to be very selective — if one case can cost $250,000 in legal expenses, and those costs can go into the million+ range with appeals etc (let alone a loss), even very deep pockets can quickly run dry.<p>And to make matters worse, one person shared that a lot of lawyers that sue in this law actually look for folks that have insurance policies, and then just ask for whatever the max of the policy is, so the advice is don&#x27;t bother with a $2 million policy vs. $1 million because they&#x27;ll just double the ask.<p>Yes, in some cases you can try to recoup legal expenses, but that often involves more years of being tangled in litigation, more legal bills, and more uncertainty.
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shadowgovt超过 1 年前
Taking the devil&#x27;s advocate side for a bit: this is what defamation law is for. If believed, these allegations basically end her career. It&#x27;s good to have recourse in law against baseless accusations of this magnitude. I&#x27;m not even surprised that neither Harvard nor the three institutions the authors of the Data Colada blog are prepped &#x2F; insured for this: this kind of lawsuit would mark the person levying it as dangerous to work with <i>in general</i> and probably mark the end of their academic career one way or the other. It&#x27;s an exit gambit for someone who will not be working in academia in the future.<p>The breakdown in process is a failure to protect the defendants until the lawsuit is resolved. That issue is kind of endemic to how law is done in the US; the process is expensive, and the costs sit on the shoulders of the parties involved until the suit is resolved.<p>It&#x27;ll be interesting to see how institutions react to this suit in the future. I imagine a pool of insurance money against spurious defamation claims would become standard, especially among the universities that gather more reputation from spot-checking other people&#x27;s work than from producing trail-blazing research.
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xyst超过 1 年前
Harvard should have their lawyers counter sue once this lawsuit is thrown out of court. Their reputation as a premier Ivy League university is permanently stained because of her actions.<p>Probably won’t happen but would be a satisfying end to this saga.<p>Also, I wonder why nobody is selling a liability insurance policy for journalists and researchers. Too expensive? Too niche?<p>Underwriters can find the litigations against certain orgs and individual journalists&#x2F;researchers and determine risk and premiums.<p>As a researcher, have costs of premiums covered as part of grant or story. Much better to pay a couple thousand in premiums rather than $600K in legal fees.
AlbertCory超过 1 年前
Filing a Motion To Dismiss is always the first defense against a garbage suit like this. Unfortunately, the plaintiff also gets to argue, which means you need big legal fees just to file it.<p>There are legal foundations for all sorts of causes, and they&#x27;re mostly 501(c)(3) organizations. So I don&#x27;t know why there can&#x27;t be one for scientific whistleblowers as well.
toomuchtodo超过 1 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Francesca_Gino" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Francesca_Gino</a>
wonderwonder超过 1 年前
This is unfortunately the US legal system in a nut shell. You don&#x27;t have to be right a lot of the time, you just have to have more money than the person you are suing or who are in a position to sue you.<p>You can just bleed them to the point they have to surrender. No such thing as a public defender when you are being sued. Plus the process itself is so complex, its pretty hard to figure out how to represent yourself especially while working a full time job.<p>600k to defend yourself from a defamation lawsuit brought by someone who&#x27;s own employer has done the research and labeled them a fraud. So in the best case scenario all you win is poverty and debt.
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monero-xmr超过 1 年前
Wow this lady is gunning hard for Villain of the Year. She should be having shame and remorse - instead she doubles down and sues her accusers along with playing the sexism card. Seems even more like a grift.
curiousgal超过 1 年前
Meta: The title makes it seem like she sued her employer Harvard and that Harvard turned to GoFundMe... Stunts like this is why I do not feel bad about using an adblocker.
dang超过 1 年前
Related. Others?<p><i>Is it defamation to point out scientific research fraud?</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37152030">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37152030</a> - Aug 2023 (13 comments)<p><i>Harvard professor Francesca Gino was accused of faking data</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36968670">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36968670</a> - Aug 2023 (146 comments)<p><i>Fabricated data in research about honesty</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36907829">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36907829</a> - July 2023 (46 comments)<p><i>Fraudulent data raise questions about superstar honesty researcher (2021)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36726485">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36726485</a> - July 2023 (33 comments)<p><i>UCLA professor refuses to cover for Dan Ariely in issue of data provenance</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36684242">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36684242</a> - July 2023 (131 comments)<p><i>Harvard ethics professor allegedly fabricated multiple studies</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36665247">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36665247</a> - July 2023 (215 comments)<p><i>Harvard dishonesty expert accused of dishonesty</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36424090">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36424090</a> - June 2023 (201 comments)<p><i>Data Falsificada (Part 1): “Clusterfake” – Data Colada</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36374255">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36374255</a> - June 2023 (7 comments)<p><i>Noted study in psychology fails to replicate, crumbles with evidence of fraud</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28264097">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28264097</a> - Aug 2021 (102 comments)<p><i>A Big Study About Honesty Turns Out to Be Based on Fake Data</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28257860">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28257860</a> - Aug 2021 (90 comments)<p><i>Evidence of fraud in an influential field experiment about dishonesty</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28210642">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28210642</a> - Aug 2021 (51 comments)
blahyawnblah超过 1 年前
Would this fall under SLAPP or whatever where you&#x27;re allowed to recover like 3x damages&#x2F;costs?
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no_wizard超过 1 年前
&gt;Facing that alarming state of affairs, defenders of Nelson, Simmons, and Simonsohn have put together a GoFundMe to help the researchers raise the conceivably hundreds of thousands of dollars that will be needed to defend themselves in court.<p>I do wonder why Harvard doesn&#x27;t pay for their defense, as they commissioned the study and presumably would like the results to stand, and if those who conducted the study are facing a lawsuit like this, surely you could argue it would hurt Harvard in some way?
aeurielesn超过 1 年前
This is insane.<p>Is this unique to the US legal system?
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ActorNightly超过 1 年前
Harvard, Yale, and other Ivy League schools have absolutely nothing to do with academia. They are just training camps for elites. Personally I wouldn&#x27;t trust anything that comes out of those institutions.