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Norway rolls back EV incentives while boosting walking and cycling (2022)

197 点作者 kitkat_new超过 1 年前

12 条评论

anonporridge超过 1 年前
Fantastic news!<p>EVs already have escape velocity in Norway to replace ICE cars, and incentivizing more walking and cycling not only promotes more efficient modes of short distance travel, but makes the population healthier.<p>Over reliance on cars kills us slowly via lifestyle degradation.
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nologic01超过 1 年前
There is a very clear flow chart<p>* Walk Else<p>* Take Bicycle Else<p>* Take Electric Bike or Fixed Track Public Transport Else<p>* Use Electric Automobile or Bus Else<p>* Use Fossil Fuel Automobile or Airplane<p>Subsidies, incentives etc must align with this flowchart. EV is seen as a savior for economies and urban structures that are not viable to start with
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gentleman11超过 1 年前
I can’t even imagine that here where I live. My neighbourhood has sidewalks, which is nice because all the adjacent ones don’t. To go downtown in this little town in winter you have to risk a treacherous steep hill covered in ice and snow that never gets cleared and it’s actually dangerous
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vinni2超过 1 年前
&gt; boosting walking and cycling<p>how exactly are they boosting that? They should really be making public transport better and cheaper throughout the country not just Olso.
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onthecanposting超过 1 年前
I get the sneaking suspicion this is part of a ratcheting strategy for state prohibition of private ownership of any means of transportation for common people. Calling these policies sumptuary laws probably wouldn&#x27;t fly nowadays I suppose.
vinni2超过 1 年前
This is hypocrisy Norwegian economy is heavily driven by oil industry. Instead of planning to phase out oil they just makes these ineffective policies. People are going to buy big electric cars even with VAT.
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greenthrow超过 1 年前
This article is from 2022. This is not news as the title implies. Needs [2022].
zzzbra超过 1 年前
I feel like we&#x27;re going to look back on the past ten years of EV hype the same way we look at the big tech&#x2F;social media rise of the obama years -- why were we so completely in the throes of this silver bullet, seeing no downsides to a different set of trade offs...
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ThinkBeat超过 1 年前
I live in Norway now (ex US) (BTW: One of the world&#x27;s biggest producers of oil and natural gas (fossile fuels))<p>It is a country with winters filled with slippery ice at least in the south, and lots of steep hills up and down up and down. The ER stats for broken hip bones and other injuries during the winter is high.<p>The ice is a much bigger factor than cold or snow when evaluating walking or biking<p>It is possible to bike all year round. But very few people do it. and I think for good reason. I did it for 2 years and I am never doing it again. Yes you can get studded bike tires and they help but no.<p>Politicians here keep talking about Norway as if we are Spain. (With enough global warming from the fossile fuels produced perhaps?) Let us be good for the environment and walk and bike everywhere. Like they do in Amsterdam.<p>Meanwhile public transit in Oslo is good, and well used. But the buses and trains are stuffed like sardins in a can. during rush hours.<p>I wish they would stop spending major money on constructing bike paths and allocating more and more of the road to bikes, and instead invest heavily in improving and expanding public transit. Since it is useful for nearly all of the population all year around.<p>Since Norway is investing heavily in EV busses, the trains are electric as are the trams, increasing the number of busses, allowing people to breathe in rush hour would not have any noticeable impact on emissions.<p>I would rather see many more lanes for public transit only than the same space being built for bikes only.<p>With a population of 700.000, the capital Oslo, seems at most 3.000 brave bikers during the winter. (less than 0.5%) This is easy to calculate since the city have signs that measure the number of bikers that pass them 24h a day.<p>There is a Finish town that the newspapers like to cover in how people ride their bikes there all year around. Joensuu.<p>&quot;&quot;Meet the bike-loving Finnish city that keeps pedaling even in the snow&quot;&quot;<p>It is blessed by being flat, by having a youngish population, and a consistently below freezing winter. (Which means much less of an ice problem).<p>Even there only 7% ride their bikes in the winter.<p>Since Oslo will remain outstandingly non flat, and be covered in ice during good parts of the winter, I dont see the advantage of spending on bike infrastructure over public transit.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.euronews.com&#x2F;my-europe&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;22&#x2F;meet-the-bike-loving-finnish-city-that-keeps-pedalling-even-in-the-snow" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.euronews.com&#x2F;my-europe&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;22&#x2F;meet-the-bike-...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;environment&#x2F;bike-blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;feb&#x2F;08&#x2F;why-finland-leads-the-field-when-it-comes-to-winter-cycling" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;environment&#x2F;bike-blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;feb&#x2F;0...</a>
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janvidar超过 1 年前
This article is from May 2022.
Advaith97超过 1 年前
its great that they&#x27;re incentivising public transport. Does anyone have any numbers comparing carbon emissions from a population using green public transport vs using electric cars vs using gasoline cars?
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jupp0r超过 1 年前
(2022)